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Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Raki » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:47 am

Dragon wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:13 am
Yknow, that random waterfall special move Orion did at the beginning of TLW... I totally thought itd play a part later in the series, but it was never brought up again.

RIP The Brown Booby of Death
OMG you're right! :KRUMP:

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Kasi » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:41 am

Naming a dog Love sounds so sweet ^_^

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Tora » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:25 am

methpring wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:53 am
Image from page 162.
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Thank you! ^_^

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Dragon » Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:13 am

Yknow, that random waterfall special move Orion did at the beginning of TLW... I totally thought itd play a part later in the series, but it was never brought up again.

RIP The Brown Booby of Death

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by methpring » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:53 am

Image from page 162.
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Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Tora » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:30 pm

Finnish Ginga fans, in vol 15, can anyone take a photo/scan where the names of Bell, Paulie and Love are said?

As Love was before fantranslated to Rabu, and wanna know for sure. ^^

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by YamaDora » Mon May 11, 2020 5:03 pm

Kaiken wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 2:46 pm
Musashi's death was shown and had narration with it, too.
Yes, we do see what most likely killed him, but it's never said or mentioned later on. There was no narration or anything, he is just sort of forgotten.

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Kaiken » Mon May 11, 2020 2:46 pm

Uru wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 12:54 pm
Spirit Tree wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 6:24 pm
Uru wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 6:12 pm

Where has this been told? I thought that Takahashi haven't given any interviews in years.
Her sudden death takes place in Volume 1.

Yoshi didn’t actually say that. But that is just what I am assuming because Lydia didn’t get any much more action since the end of GDW. When Yoshi did the interview about why he killed off Joe, I am assuming that he did the same with Lydia for the same reason, as well as to other characters that died in TLW. When characters are not getting any more action or roles, Yoshi takes them out of the picture via death. So that is what I am assuming. Even though Yoshi didn’t actually say that, that is probably what he was thinking before.

So I put in those quotations because I assume that those were his thoughts without saying them. But maybe I’m going a little overboard with myself about that.

Please don’t take it seriously. It’s just that Lydia’s death hurt me so much. It’s one of the saddest deaths in Ginga, at least in my Top 10.
Yeah, I agree. Lydia's death was one of the saddest death in the story. Especially when it hurt Jerome so much.

This is actually partial mistranslation. The reason why Joe was killed was that he was supposed to give Orion character development (similar like Blue was to Weed). The similarity with Weed was also reason, but not the main thing.

I don't think that Takahashi kills characters just because they have done their job, because most of characters, who have died, are those that have had important part in story. If Takahashi would be killing characters that are not doing anything he would probably kill Ken, Kagetora, Mer, Hook... I think this kind of "this character has done his/her job" death are those that go by very very fast. Like Izou's brothers, Jaguar, Musashi, Teru... I'm not sure if Musashi's death was even mentioned.
Musashi's death was shown and had narration with it, too.

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Uru » Mon May 11, 2020 12:54 pm

Spirit Tree wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 6:24 pm
Uru wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 6:12 pm
Spirit Tree wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:49 am
Starting with Lydia’s death, I did not see it coming. I believe that she should not have died that quickly. She still had so much potential for more action and progression. But she was just very tearfully taken out of the picture because “there was nothing left for her” or “she doesn’t have any more roles,” which really pisses me off.
Where has this been told? I thought that Takahashi haven't given any interviews in years.
Her sudden death takes place in Volume 1.

Yoshi didn’t actually say that. But that is just what I am assuming because Lydia didn’t get any much more action since the end of GDW. When Yoshi did the interview about why he killed off Joe, I am assuming that he did the same with Lydia for the same reason, as well as to other characters that died in TLW. When characters are not getting any more action or roles, Yoshi takes them out of the picture via death. So that is what I am assuming. Even though Yoshi didn’t actually say that, that is probably what he was thinking before.

So I put in those quotations because I assume that those were his thoughts without saying them. But maybe I’m going a little overboard with myself about that.

Please don’t take it seriously. It’s just that Lydia’s death hurt me so much. It’s one of the saddest deaths in Ginga, at least in my Top 10.
Yeah, I agree. Lydia's death was one of the saddest death in the story. Especially when it hurt Jerome so much.

This is actually partial mistranslation. The reason why Joe was killed was that he was supposed to give Orion character development (similar like Blue was to Weed). The similarity with Weed was also reason, but not the main thing.

I don't think that Takahashi kills characters just because they have done their job, because most of characters, who have died, are those that have had important part in story. If Takahashi would be killing characters that are not doing anything he would probably kill Ken, Kagetora, Mer, Hook... I think this kind of "this character has done his/her job" death are those that go by very very fast. Like Izou's brothers, Jaguar, Musashi, Teru... I'm not sure if Musashi's death was even mentioned.

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Dragon » Sat May 09, 2020 7:06 pm

Spirit Tree wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 6:24 pm
Please don’t take it seriously. It’s just that Lydia’s death hurt me so much. It’s one of the saddest deaths in Ginga, at least in my Top 10.
Agreed ... :tfw_sirius5:

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Spirit Tree » Sat May 09, 2020 6:24 pm

Uru wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 6:12 pm
Spirit Tree wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:49 am
Starting with Lydia’s death, I did not see it coming. I believe that she should not have died that quickly. She still had so much potential for more action and progression. But she was just very tearfully taken out of the picture because “there was nothing left for her” or “she doesn’t have any more roles,” which really pisses me off.
Where has this been told? I thought that Takahashi haven't given any interviews in years.
Her sudden death takes place in Volume 1.

Yoshi didn’t actually say that. But that is just what I am assuming because Lydia didn’t get any much more action since the end of GDW. When Yoshi did the interview about why he killed off Joe, I am assuming that he did the same with Lydia for the same reason, as well as to other characters that died in TLW. When characters are not getting any more action or roles, Yoshi takes them out of the picture via death. So that is what I am assuming. Even though Yoshi didn’t actually say that, that is probably what he was thinking before.

So I put in those quotations because I assume that those were his thoughts without saying them. But maybe I’m going a little overboard with myself about that.

Please don’t take it seriously. It’s just that Lydia’s death hurt me so much. It’s one of the saddest deaths in Ginga, at least in my Top 10.

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Uru » Sat May 09, 2020 6:12 pm

Spirit Tree wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:49 am
Starting with Lydia’s death, I did not see it coming. I believe that she should not have died that quickly. She still had so much potential for more action and progression. But she was just very tearfully taken out of the picture because “there was nothing left for her” or “she doesn’t have any more roles,” which really pisses me off.
Where has this been told? I thought that Takahashi haven't given any interviews in years.

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Spirit Tree » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:49 am

I chose to make my own summary and final thoughts and opinions on The Last Wars because I just gotta let it out.

I can’t believe all of that actually happened. I can’t believe that TLW progressed in the way that it ever so did.

Starting with Lydia’s death, I did not see it coming. I believe that she should not have died that quickly. She still had so much potential for more action and progression. But she was just very tearfully taken out of the picture because “there was nothing left for her” or “she doesn’t have any more roles,” which really pisses me off. Jerome should never have had his happiness with his wife and children destroyed like that. And the moment really made me cry from the outside and inside.

TLW could have been a better story if it weren’t for all the irritating flaws that it had. The biggest one...the war vs. peace plot, which Gingaddict and WolfKing talked about.

Yes I am aware that Orion was a real hotheaded madman in a lot of times throughout the story and did wrong things, but Sirius was the bigger problem. Not only he also did wrong things in this story, but he committed actions that caused more pain, trouble, and disaster. Starting with his sudden belief that Monsoon should be allowed to live despite the evil bear’s brutality and murderous mind.

I had mixed feelings about Sirius, but when he took the sickle and got away with it, it all went chaotic. At that point, I generally began to dislike Sirius more. Not only he caused Unsai to get injured after taking the sickle, but previously he was just sitting around not doing anything as if he didn’t have a care in the world. Like his mind was going blank.

Even worse, he still wanted to protect Monsoon and went so far to drag Shion along to put him in danger as a translator. Sirius should have gotten the point when Monsoon kept expressing his hatred for dogs and wanted to eat dogs. But Sirius never realized at all that Monsoon was a fucking bastard that no one should ever befriend, even if he had a conscience, which he absolutely did not. Monsoon didn’t even have that much goodness in his heart...but Sirius still wanted Monsoon and the Ou army to get along.

I know Sirius wasn’t exactly a villain but he looked or acted like a villain as this damn story went on. One example of it is that he said that he was through with the deaths of friends and allies...and he wanted the rest of the army to forget about them, like they were nothing?! Even before that, I was gradually disliking Sirius more. But in that moment, I was hating him even more for that because he was sounding like a villain. I was almost convinced that he wanted to side with Monsoon and completely betray the Ou army. I almost thought that he was going to turn into a villain.

And also Sirius saying that Monsoon was evil because dogs and humans killed Akakabuto and that they were to be blamed for it was just ridiculously bullshit. He even went as far as to say that the Ou army was the real evil, which was very asinine.

Even when he got the critical hit by Monsoon, that still didn’t make Sirius realize. Monsoon said that his arm went crazy. Really?! Like that son of a bitch’s arm moved on its own?! Yeah right! And Sirius bought into that?! How could he even fall for that?! There was exactly no way that anyone should stupidly fall for it! And yet, Sirius was not convinced because all he cared about was protecting and loving his big ass evil bear buddy rather than realizing that getting along with Monsoon was not the right idea.

I do admit that I find Sirius’s death pretty sad, but all of the wrong things that he did throughout TLW...all of his wrongdoings...are the reason why there is a part of me that does not feel bad for him. And I think he chose to die with Monsoon, even if the Ou army acted like a bitch and ignored Orion’s orders to help a dying Sirius at the end. And the army has not looked the same after all that.

I didn’t want to hate Sirius. I didn’t want to condemn him. I wanted him and Orion to keep their bond together as brothers. Develop with love together like many brothers should. But Sirius kept finding reasons for me to go against him. He had the power of kindness and executed it in a dreadful way. He also made a very large mistake by focusing too much on his light side and trying to expel a dark side when everyone has a light and dark side. And to me, it felt like Sirius got what he deserved because he brought it all on himself.

In the end, I do agree with Gingaddict and WolfKing. TLW was the most disappointing story in the whole Ginga series. It is my least favorite Ginga manga as well. When we thought that there would be more to this story, we are instead presented with an abrupt and bizarre ending that holds a high level of dullness. With that war/peace subplot, it forced the reader to pick a side, which I think is insane. TLW went from having a promising potential to being underwhelming...in a much painful development.

Sirius, you should’ve just stayed in the Akame Mountains.

OR

Yoshi, you shouldn’t have started this story to begin with.

GDN will be way better.

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Gingaddict » Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:44 pm

I really hope you're right but it's a bit of a slow burner right now if you ask me

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by WolfKing » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:06 pm

Gingaddict wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:24 pm
I will try to sum up my opinion on Last Wars

Personally I don't think it ever got as suspenseful or shocking as the first few chapters and I don't get how we first started this as maybe being Gin's last adventure (like Logan, one last ride before saying goodbye) only for it to turn into a forgiveness vs violence plot-line which I don't think went anywhere as they still brutally murder Monsoon while he's trying to runaway. Sirius got really repetitive with his dialogue (seriously, take a drink every time he says 'if you just talk to him' or 'this isn't justice'!) and Orion, I will admit I liked better in this than his first appearance as he does develop character and admit he's no saint but I still found him to be a bit overpowered. Like when Akame took several years to master ninja skills and Orion does it in... days maybe? Akame himself seems to be just as indestructible as he heals no problem even though he left wounds untreated for days.

This also really undermines Weed's character as he turned from being the kindest character in the series to being the worst father in the series! He constantly dismisses Sirius and shows no emotion when he dies! Also he just looks like Gin without scars now and I am certainly not a fan of that new look. It also left many things not answered like where Reika and Koyuki went, what happened to Chibi and what happened with Gin's cataracts?

So in my opinion this is probably the most disappointing series from Ginga ever and I don't think I can see the Ohu army as the same fighters of justice and freedom again for the way they treated Sirius when he was literally dying in front of them!

Seriously, Orion, don't blame yourself for your brother's death, BLAME THE WHOLE ARMY! At least, you told them to help him but they just ignored your orders!
That's pretty much my thoughts about TLW. A great premise wasted in depressing and repetitive revenge/forgiveness scandal plot. It starts so well and shows real potential to be the best sequel, but in volume 7 it starts to go downhill and by halfway it makes the fatal flaw which it never recovers from.

1) Endless Out of Character moments, including leads becoming unlikable and Flanderized (Flanderization) (Orion and Sirius both to an extent, but do have likable moments too) Gin and Weed emotionless mannequins

2) Morals learned in GNG and especially in GDW are forgotten of ignored totally, which makes especially Weed come off as a hypocrite.

3) Characters treating Orion as a leader and good one too, despite his toxic and volatile personality. He even shows shades of sexism towards Cross in one scene. Sirius isn't exactly much better, but he is not volatile and knows how to control his emotions unlike Orion.

4) Characters not giving a damn about Sirius being exiled (except Sasuke) and talking behind his back, which makes them petty and outright mean. In GDWO everyone are shocked and some even try to stop Orion from leaving. But towards Sirius, no one gives a damn. It shows how everyone suck up to Orion all the time.

5) And Sirius' death like you mentioned, no one listened to Orion about helping Sirius except Cross and once again shows that Orion is ultimately their priority, despite Weed refusing to prioritize.

6) a minor example, but Gin deciding that he's not gonna see Daisuke ever again before the last battle. It ruined their reunion and meaningful friendship in GDW. Hopefully he changed his mind after surviving the last battle, since he didn't expect to survive.

All in all TLW was the most disappointing and my least favorite sequel. GDN shall be better.

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Gingaddict » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:24 pm

I will try to sum up my opinion on Last Wars

Personally I don't think it ever got as suspenseful or shocking as the first few chapters and I don't get how we first started this as maybe being Gin's last adventure (like Logan, one last ride before saying goodbye) only for it to turn into a forgiveness vs violence plot-line which I don't think went anywhere as they still brutally murder Monsoon while he's trying to runaway. Sirius got really repetitive with his dialogue (seriously, take a drink every time he says 'if you just talk to him' or 'this isn't justice'!) and Orion, I will admit I liked better in this than his first appearance as he does develop character and admit he's no saint but I still found him to be a bit overpowered. Like when Akame took several years to master ninja skills and Orion does it in... days maybe? Akame himself seems to be just as indestructible as he heals no problem even though he left wounds untreated for days.

This also really undermines Weed's character as he turned from being the kindest character in the series to being the worst father in the series! He constantly dismisses Sirius and shows no emotion when he dies! Also he just looks like Gin without scars now and I am certainly not a fan of that new look. It also left many things not answered like where Reika and Koyuki went, what happened to Chibi and what happened with Gin's cataracts?

So in my opinion this is probably the most disappointing series from Ginga ever and I don't think I can see the Ohu army as the same fighters of justice and freedom again for the way they treated Sirius when he was literally dying in front of them!

Seriously, Orion, don't blame yourself for your brother's death, BLAME THE WHOLE ARMY! At least, you told them to help him but they just ignored your orders!

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Atha » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:35 pm

Finally caught up with the early volumes Fanta has recently translated. I had read the first few chapters and then there was a gap for me until the big fight where we thought Akame had gotten blinded.

So now that I have read all the first 50 chapters I can safely say I pretty much hated everyone except Sirius, Bob and Cross. Jerome being a shitty parent calling his inexperienced teenage sons to come and fight the giant bears in a suicide mission because "you were born a male". Unsai deciding to disciple Orion by beating him up (not to mention the following fight between them looked ridic). Unsai and Orion ready to kill Bob except from Sirius. At least Kyoushiro was actually decent, his character only when downhill after the bears died, and liked his friendship with Rocket better (than with Sasuke now being the Two Stooges). But overall I just ended up wanting the bears to kill those unpleasant characters.

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Uru » Fri May 31, 2019 9:44 am

If this ending would have had a bit more time, just 2-3 chapters or even one complete book, I think it would have been the best and the darkest Ginga-ending. The story would have just needed bit more time to work properly.

One thing also crossed my mind: maybe Takahashi could not handle killing the characters? This happens every now and then with artist: in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure part 5 one character was just simply left on beach as originally his role was to be turn against his frineds and to be killed. In Harry Potter Ron Weasley's father was supposed to die, but Rowling couldn't kill him. Takahashi has killed lot of characters, but he also said that he cried when he was drawing the death of Benizakura. Maybe he liked Monsoon and Sirius and didn't want them to die, but also saw that it was only way to end the story.

I think what Orion meant with his speak was that priorities were:
1. Kill Monsoon.
2. Save Sirius.
3. Try to help Orion.

Oh, boy did I hate Orion in these chapters. I think the speech he gave was supposed to make him sound better person, but he was just horrble. He is aware that Monsoon was changing and that he was going against Ouu's rules etc, but he still continued cutting Monsoon. wtf. I have met so many people like this in work: first they fight as hard as they can to get something they want and when they get their way, they leave the mess for someone else to clean.

Orion is officially a politician and/or corrupted business man.

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Raki » Fri May 31, 2019 8:57 am

Thank you for translations! Great work!!

Still so sad how they treated poor Sirius... No reactions to his death.. That's so bad, not well done. :// can't help but feel sorry for Monsoon too.
Ughh...

Re: Ginga: The Last Wars SPOILER THREAD

by Digsu » Thu May 30, 2019 11:21 pm

Bambalui wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 11:11 pm
Also someone wrote that Rigel was not as good with the sickle as Orion, did we even get to see him use that move in TLW?
I'm pretty sure he was one of the dogs practising with bamboo sticks back then. iirc he was actually better at it than most of the other dogs because of Bearhound Power™, but not quite as good as Orion.

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