Great post, dude! It sounds similar to the one post that I made back in early January.WolfKing wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:45 pmThis is a really intense and polarizing argument. Considering that Yoshi apparently got inspiration from politics from these days, perhaps he kind of wanted this kind of an reception from us fans.
In my opinion i don't know who is the "real leader" since both Orion and Sirius had questionable morals in TLW and it made it difficult for me to chose which one was the "right one".
I think it's unfair to out Sirius as the one who was wrong and had terrible morals. I fully admit those statements about that the dogs and humans intruded Akakabuto's territory during the start, and that they (dogs) are the real evil ones etc. and insensitive words about fallen comrades were cringeworthy and i did not agree with that at all since it was such a mind screw and absolutely abysmal things to say. But outing him as a villain was not right in my opinion despite him betraying Ou for his morals. I mean he never planned to kill anyone or make Monsoon attack Ou as revenge for being exiled.
Near the end, he also saved Orion from being killed, which while not totally impressive or enough to make someone change their opinion on him, it showed that he really cared about his family after all and reminded us that he never wanted anyone to die.
Orion certainly never betrayed anyone, which is great. He has a great sense of justice and really cares about his friends and family. But he is the one who insisted that they must kill Monsoon (for obvious reasons though) was a hothead who aggressively yelled at others, assaulted Sirius with a Bamboo stick etc, and led the raid against Monsoon, while exclaiming excitedly "YAHOO!" which in my opinion took away the "battle for justice" feel and changed it into a sort of an "psychopath adventure" or "Bloodlust". He's also motivated by revenge which Unsai stated as a bad thing. I'm still not outing him as a villain either.
Just like Sirius, near the end he shows his love for his friends family by telling others to save Sirius and prioritize him over himself and telling them to make him the leader of Ou.
Now in GDN he has changed a lot, and has flaws like usually but hopefully he develops into a great leader now that Yoshi sacrificed Sirius for his character developments sake. I just wish Yoshi will make Sirius will come and reconcile with Orion so that the broken bond can be fully fixed and make peace at last.
My point is that both Orion and Sirius did equal amount of mistakes and their ideals and actions were questionable at best, and i think that singling out either one of them as the villain or the "true leader or hero" or the one with "right ideals" is just not right. It's a complicated situation. Yoshi just hasn't executed it well enough which makes it even more complicated.
And I’m very sorry. It just makes me think that only Orion gets criticized when Sirius should also be criticized. I’m aware that Orion was a hotheaded madman in TLW and did a lot of wrong things before GDN. Like I said back in January, Orion is not the only one who deserves blame for all of his wrongdoings. Sirius deserves blame for all of his wrongdoings, also.
And I’m not calling Sirius a villain. Even though I’ve been saying that he acted or looked like a villain, I don’t mean to call him a villain. Since you brought up the part where Sirius saves Orion from getting stomped, now I’m thinking that he still loved his brother and family and friends so much. Orion probably still loves his brother because he showed it near the end of TLW and has shown it in GDN. But we can’t ignore all of the wrong things that both brothers did in TLW.
However, I really don’t want Yoshi to turn Orion into a villain because of this “large demon” thing and what Rigel said about Orion becoming an “uncontrollable monster.” It would ruin Orion. It would be too cruel. Sure, Orion could be full of rage if he knows that Weed’s life is in more danger. But Rigel could have said something better than “uncontrollable monster.” Yes, Orion is one of my favorite characters, but I’m aware of all of the wrong things that he did before GDN. And just because he threw Shuou off the cliff, it doesn’t make him a monster.
But I’m happy that Orion has been progressing on his character development to be a better character since GDN started. And I’ll be happy to see him learn to harness his dark side and light side and combine them together. That will help him be a better character and leader. I know I’ve said this many times. But I have a strong hope for it. I hope Noah will help him and guide him.
And WolfKing, have you seen my recreation of my predictions? Like you, I still hope that Orion will meet with Sirius in a dreamworld, and both brothers will reconcile. It will also be good if Sirius can admit/realize all of his wrongdoings in TLW. I mean Orion pretty much admitted his. Have a look at my recreation if you want. I’m not forcing you to do that, but it’s your choice.
You have also made a good point, WolfKing.