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Why is Orion the leader?

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Why? Am I missing something? I don't see any reason or explanation why Orion should be the leader. Weed is not even old and is still very much capable to lead the army (or at least was at the beginning of GDN). Orion has never really acted or done anything leader like. It is not explained at all and it really should have been.
But with this all being said if they start focusing making Orion act more like a leader and build his character that way I think he could become better leader than Weed.
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Jinto wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:46 am Why? Am I missing something? I don't see any reason or explanation why Orion should be the leader. Weed is not even old and is still very much capable to lead the army (or at least was at the beginning of GDN). Orion has never really acted or done anything leader like. It is not explained at all and it really should have been.
But with this all being said if they start focusing making Orion act more like a leader and build his character that way I think he could become better leader than Weed.
In last week's chapter... Orion gave up the leadership to Rigel. Or more like tossed it to him because he didn't want to deal with the responsibilities anymore! XD
Tbh I feel like this week's chapter would be a good opportunity to show how Orion got the title in the first place. He clearly didn't want it so Weed must have pushed it to him randomly after Sirius' death in TLW.
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All we know is that Weed apparently named Orion Supreme Commander during the timeskip between TLW and GDN for... some reason.

I guess it makes enough sense for Orion to be the next leader, since he's Weed's eldest living son and thus next in line for the title (and I know at one point in GDWO it's claimed that the title is in fact not hereditary but we've never actually seen much proof of that being the case), but the reason why Weed decided to retire in the first place has never been explained.
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Leomonade wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:38 am
Jinto wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:46 am Why? Am I missing something? I don't see any reason or explanation why Orion should be the leader. Weed is not even old and is still very much capable to lead the army (or at least was at the beginning of GDN). Orion has never really acted or done anything leader like. It is not explained at all and it really should have been.
But with this all being said if they start focusing making Orion act more like a leader and build his character that way I think he could become better leader than Weed.
In last week's chapter... Orion gave up the leadership to Rigel. Or more like tossed it to him because he didn't want to deal with the responsibilities anymore! XD
Tbh I feel like this week's chapter would be a good opportunity to show how Orion got the title in the first place. He clearly didn't want it so Weed must have pushed it to him randomly after Sirius' death in TLW.





I've been thinking it has something to do with Sirius's death. Like Weed feeling guilt about it or something.
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Jinto wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:07 am
Leomonade wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:38 am
Jinto wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:46 am Why? Am I missing something? I don't see any reason or explanation why Orion should be the leader. Weed is not even old and is still very much capable to lead the army (or at least was at the beginning of GDN). Orion has never really acted or done anything leader like. It is not explained at all and it really should have been.
But with this all being said if they start focusing making Orion act more like a leader and build his character that way I think he could become better leader than Weed.
In last week's chapter... Orion gave up the leadership to Rigel. Or more like tossed it to him because he didn't want to deal with the responsibilities anymore! XD
Tbh I feel like this week's chapter would be a good opportunity to show how Orion got the title in the first place. He clearly didn't want it so Weed must have pushed it to him randomly after Sirius' death in TLW.

I've been thinking it has something to do with Sirius's death. Like Weed feeling guilt about it or something.

I really hope Weed explains why or how he gave the leadership to Orion in the coming chapters... But maybe Sirius death + Weed not being much of a help since GDWO made him give up the position to his son. But tbh.. if he wanted to give up on being the leader he should have just given the position to his father. Gin is the only one doing any leading in the pack anyway lol
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Yeah,, Weed giving up the role off screen in his prime health is very strange... Orion never seemed like a leader to me, and idk if Rigel is best fit for it either. I would love to see someone like Tesshin step up, but then again..after the elder's death he's been sorta unhinged. Maybe passing the title on to someone like Kagetora and Ken, or Jerome would be best. I think the younger characters are still too inexperienced for a leadership role yet. Maybe in time Andy or Shirozaru would make a good leader. Nobody in the army rn besides Gin, Akame, and Tesshin really make good leader material :tfw_aokabuto2:
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We know that the title isn't hereditary since Tesshin was trained to be the next leader by Gin, so Weed passing the title to his son who always hated leadership makes 0 sense.
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I still headcanon that, in between TLW and GDN, Weed was distraught about Sirius's death and felt guilty about it. Therefore, he decided that he was not worthy for leadership anymore, choosing to give up being the supreme leader and just passed on the leadership to Orion, even though Orion himself was also distraught about his brother's death and doesn't feel worthy of being the supreme leader.
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Because the Ohu Army just decided he was going to be despite him not wanting the role. That's why he passes it along to Rigel. The same thing happened with Weed.
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Tbh I kinda headcannon that the amount of stuff that happened during Weed's leadership could've been a lot for him.

I'm saying this as some one who is still behind reading but honestly? Gin had Akakabuto and the wolves. But Weed had Kaibutsu (wasn't really leader yet here but worked with a couple of Ohu members so maybe it counts?), Hougen, the monkeys, the Russian dogs and the Hybrid bears? And I dunno if the stuff in GDWO happens under Weed too or if it was passed over but if not, that's just ANOTHER thing to add.

But that's just me thinking lmao
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I would definitely place it on Sirius's death. While Yoshi doesn't really write it off well, I would imagine it would take an emotional toll on Weed.
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Leomonade wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:38 am
Jinto wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:46 am Why? Am I missing something? I don't see any reason or explanation why Orion should be the leader. Weed is not even old and is still very much capable to lead the army (or at least was at the beginning of GDN). Orion has never really acted or done anything leader like. It is not explained at all and it really should have been.
But with this all being said if they start focusing making Orion act more like a leader and build his character that way I think he could become better leader than Weed.
In last week's chapter... Orion gave up the leadership to Rigel. Or more like tossed it to him because he didn't want to deal with the responsibilities anymore! XD
Tbh I feel like this week's chapter would be a good opportunity to show how Orion got the title in the first place. He clearly didn't want it so Weed must have pushed it to him randomly after Sirius' death in TLW.
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I like Orion as a battle commander but def not overall Leader! He strikes me as someone who can't be tied down.
I think Rigel is a good medium to both Sirius and Orion, just wish Rigel got more screentime!
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I feel like Rigel or Bella would make a good supreme commander.

NOT Sirius. For obvious reasons.
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While I don't really know but I think it indeed it might have been health problems, I mean Weed did not heal well enough in Las Wars until much later on and even in the final fight against Monsoon, he wasn't doing much there either and even now, Weed is currently recovering from a rib injury!

So yeah, he can't be the leader if all that keeps happening to him!
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