Oh so he is old as balls but they keep calling him young like they do with Tesshin, Ken, George and Kagetora... ugh
Why???
In the start of GDW, Daisuke and his dad wonder if Gin is already dead because 15 years for a dog is a long time..
Daisuke's dad says that in volume 2. In volume 1, after Smith scares the guard dog away, the narration says that the battle against Akakabuto took place 13 years ago.Leomonade wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:29 pm
Oh so he is old as balls but they keep calling him young like they do with Tesshin, Ken, George and Kagetora... ugh
Why???
In the start of GDW, Daisuke and his dad wonder if Gin is already dead because 15 years for a dog is a long time..
SIGHDigsu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:36 pmDaisuke's dad says that in volume 2. In volume 1, after Smith scares the guard dog away, the narration says that the battle against Akakabuto took place 13 years ago.
So who knows how much time has actually passed between GNG and GDWO ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think that is effect from color saturation. Bellatrix is supposed to be very light blueish gray, almost white, but she is in the color Weed is. Also Rigel is just too dark, and Orion looks brown, not reddish orange. Even the humans in ads look way too dark.
I think this question is about Yamabiko. He is the only puppy character who took a direct hit from Masamune's Ningato (which was shown to be able to kill adult dogs with ease).
Yeah, I started to reread Orion, and I can see how easily Masamune kill dogs, orten in one hit. But he didn't kill one dog in Ohu, that's weird. Or even Weed. Puppies has superpowers in ginga
No. While he ends up traveling with the Ohu army thanks to the Koga Elder kidnapping him, the reason he stayed with them was because he realized his father was evil, and he himself says that he hates him a couple times, and after Blanca dies, it's said that Bon was happier with the Ohu army than with his father because he finally got to play and live with other puppies like someone his age should.Gingaddict wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:28 pm I have a question I heard this on the Ginga Wiki on Bon's page, taken directly from it -
"Later, Bon wants to help his father's troops to find his uncle's murderer, but they refuse and leave him in the forest. He is eventually attacked by the Kōga Elder, who kidnaps him and takes him as a hostage.
Bon is taken to the Ōu army, but instead of being mad at them, he spends time with them. He becomes friends with the younger soldiers and is welcomed into the Ōu army. Seemingly, he forgets about his uncle and his father as he has not mentioned them at all since joining and no longer wonders where his father is. Upon meeting Cross, he calls her "mama", but Cross gently tells him she's not his mother but sympathizes as she understands he doesn't seem to have a mother anymore."
So my question is did the Ohu Army actually manipulate Bon into liking/joining them?
Well, that sudden change of heart was a bit weird actually. He never expressed any resentment or even hatred toward his father, quite the opposite. He wasn't forbidden to play with pups either, he just drowned them all, like he almost did to Orion. It feels as if Bonn decided that Ohu army is more fun and to become even more likeable to them, just said that he hated his father. That little sociopath.Digsu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:24 pmNo. While he ends up traveling with the Ohu army thanks to the Koga Elder kidnapping him, the reason he stayed with them was because he realized his father was evil, and he himself says that he hates him a couple times, and after Blanca dies, it's said that Bon was happier with the Ohu army than with his father because he finally got to play and live with other puppies like someone his age should.Gingaddict wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:28 pm I have a question I heard this on the Ginga Wiki on Bon's page, taken directly from it -
"Later, Bon wants to help his father's troops to find his uncle's murderer, but they refuse and leave him in the forest. He is eventually attacked by the Kōga Elder, who kidnaps him and takes him as a hostage.
Bon is taken to the Ōu army, but instead of being mad at them, he spends time with them. He becomes friends with the younger soldiers and is welcomed into the Ōu army. Seemingly, he forgets about his uncle and his father as he has not mentioned them at all since joining and no longer wonders where his father is. Upon meeting Cross, he calls her "mama", but Cross gently tells him she's not his mother but sympathizes as she understands he doesn't seem to have a mother anymore."
So my question is did the Ohu Army actually manipulate Bon into liking/joining them?
According to Bon, Mateus had a habit of murdering any playmates he found (falsely accusing them of stealing food) and sometimes came close to killing Bon himself for disobeying him, with Blanca being the only one who dared to interfere, and before his death, Blanca urges Bon to remain with the Ohu army because "the Kurohabaki wouldn't have spared an enemy's child" and "if you go back to them, they'll execute you as a traitor". Also, during the final battle against the Kurohabaki, Bon briefly confronts Mateus, very angrily tells him that he's not he's father anymore and then says "Go ahead, kill me! And laugh about it! That's the sort of person you are, after all!" Shortly afterwards, Bon outright tells Akame to kill Mateus and that he deserves it.Kaiken wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:47 pmWell, that sudden change of heart was a bit weird actually. He never expressed any resentment or even hatred toward his father, quite the opposite. He wasn't forbidden to play with pups either, he just drowned them all, like he almost did to Orion. It feels as if Bonn decided that Ohu army is more fun and to become even more likeable to them, just said that he hated his father. That little sociopath.Digsu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:24 pmNo. While he ends up traveling with the Ohu army thanks to the Koga Elder kidnapping him, the reason he stayed with them was because he realized his father was evil, and he himself says that he hates him a couple times, and after Blanca dies, it's said that Bon was happier with the Ohu army than with his father because he finally got to play and live with other puppies like someone his age should.Gingaddict wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:28 pm I have a question I heard this on the Ginga Wiki on Bon's page, taken directly from it -
"Later, Bon wants to help his father's troops to find his uncle's murderer, but they refuse and leave him in the forest. He is eventually attacked by the Kōga Elder, who kidnaps him and takes him as a hostage.
Bon is taken to the Ōu army, but instead of being mad at them, he spends time with them. He becomes friends with the younger soldiers and is welcomed into the Ōu army. Seemingly, he forgets about his uncle and his father as he has not mentioned them at all since joining and no longer wonders where his father is. Upon meeting Cross, he calls her "mama", but Cross gently tells him she's not his mother but sympathizes as she understands he doesn't seem to have a mother anymore."
So my question is did the Ohu Army actually manipulate Bon into liking/joining them?
Digsu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:05 pmAccording to Bon, Mateus had a habit of murdering any playmates he found (falsely accusing them of stealing food) and sometimes came close to killing Bon himself for disobeying him, with Blanca being the only one who dared to interfere, and before his death, Blanca urges Bon to remain with the Ohu army because "the Kurohabaki wouldn't have spared an enemy's child" and "if you go back to them, they'll execute you as a traitor". Also, during the final battle against the Kurohabaki, Bon briefly confronts Mateus, very angrily tells him that he's not he's father anymore and then says "Go ahead, kill me! And laugh about it! That's the sort of person you are, after all!" Shortly afterwards, Bon outright tells Akame to kill Mateus and that he deserves it.Kaiken wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:47 pmWell, that sudden change of heart was a bit weird actually. He never expressed any resentment or even hatred toward his father, quite the opposite. He wasn't forbidden to play with pups either, he just drowned them all, like he almost did to Orion. It feels as if Bonn decided that Ohu army is more fun and to become even more likeable to them, just said that he hated his father. That little sociopath.Digsu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:24 pm
No. While he ends up traveling with the Ohu army thanks to the Koga Elder kidnapping him, the reason he stayed with them was because he realized his father was evil, and he himself says that he hates him a couple times, and after Blanca dies, it's said that Bon was happier with the Ohu army than with his father because he finally got to play and live with other puppies like someone his age should.
It's not obvious when they're introduced, but Bon definitely hated his father. The fact that Blanca knew he'd be better off with the Ohu army seems to imply that Bon wasn't just making the whole thing up.
The narrator says that it wasn't until he joined the Ohu army that Bon finally got to live a proper puppy's life and have friends.Kaiken wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:55 pm Dp we have any evidence of Bonn having problems with his father/his father being cruel to him or his friends other than Bonn's own words? Or even evidence of Blanca actually telling Bonn what he claims his uncle have said?
The scene with Bonn defying Matheus is still from his own initiative after he's been converted to Ohu army, too.
Even if Blanca did really say what Bonn claims he said, it still doesn't prove Matheus being a bad father, just that in war it's not safe with him anymore especially considering how strong Gennai is. He might have just said that to ensure Bonn stays with the winning side instead of returning in Masamune's path, who WOULD kill a puppy.
Digsu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:15 pmThe narrator says that it wasn't until he joined the Ohu army that Bon finally got to live a proper puppy's life and have friends.Kaiken wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:55 pm Dp we have any evidence of Bonn having problems with his father/his father being cruel to him or his friends other than Bonn's own words? Or even evidence of Blanca actually telling Bonn what he claims his uncle have said?
The scene with Bonn defying Matheus is still from his own initiative after he's been converted to Ohu army, too.
Even if Blanca did really say what Bonn claims he said, it still doesn't prove Matheus being a bad father, just that in war it's not safe with him anymore especially considering how strong Gennai is. He might have just said that to ensure Bonn stays with the winning side instead of returning in Masamune's path, who WOULD kill a puppy.
Also imho assuming that Bon is such a convincing actor that he's capable of instantly fake crying at the mention of his father and coming up with lies about Blanca's last words and Mateus being a remorseless murderer while still crying his eyes out over Blanca's death requires making far more assumptions than him genuinely despising his father. Theories are well and good, but Ginga is the sort of series where subtlety does not exist - canonically, everything is always exactly the way it's presented as. I'm not stopping you from having a headcanon that Bon is secretly a master manipulator (it's honestly a really neat theory), but as far as actual canon goes, he hated his father and Mateus had a history of killing his sons playmates.