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Re: GDW:O General Questions Topic

Post by Kaiken » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:10 am

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I'm at chapter 49, and I was surprised to see Kenshin as Masamune's ally, and the text saying that those from Nokizaru were now merged with Kurohabaki. Last we saw him, I thought that Masamune had killed Nokizaru's 2nd in Command after he promised loyalty to Kurohabaki and left while Kenshin stayed behind. Kenshin also told Masamune that he couldn't rule a nation by chaos, and that numbers and power aren't going to convince him to follow a violent leader. Maybe I missed the subtext, or when Masamune referred to as 'dealing mental damage,' by killing the 2nd in Command (page 73, chapter 42), the plot actually worked?
He showed that he can get Kenshin's best and most trusted men to his side. Then he killed the guy because he didn't really want him, he just wanted to show Kenshin that he can take over the hearts and minds of his followers. Also, Kenshin would probably have killed him anyway, after betraying.
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Re: GDW:O General Questions Topic

Post by Dragon » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:45 am

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He showed that he can get Kenshin's best and most trusted men to his side. Then he killed the guy because he didn't really want him, he just wanted to show Kenshin that he can take over the hearts and minds of his followers. Also, Kenshin would probably have killed him anyway, after betraying.
I think it's important to also notice that Masamune didn't kill him because he didn't really want him. He killed the 2nd commander because he shows disloyalty. Something very persistent with Masamune's personality is valuing loyalty more than anything. Not in the fashion of Hougen, who just wants to be a tyrant with full control. Masamune was almost fascinated with the trait of loyal warriors who didn't waver from their beliefs. Maybe Kenshin sort of realized this and thought it wouldn't be so bad to join him.

That's why Masamune says 'Kill him! that guy's useless to both me and kenshin!' about the 2nd commander. As corrupt as Masamune was, he's definitely one of the more ...understandable? antagonists of Ginga.
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Re: GDW:O General Questions Topic

Post by Kaiken » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:07 pm

Dragon wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:45 am
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Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:10 am
He showed that he can get Kenshin's best and most trusted men to his side. Then he killed the guy because he didn't really want him, he just wanted to show Kenshin that he can take over the hearts and minds of his followers. Also, Kenshin would probably have killed him anyway, after betraying.
I think it's important to also notice that Masamune didn't kill him because he didn't really want him. He killed the 2nd commander because he shows disloyalty. Something very persistent with Masamune's personality is valuing loyalty more than anything. Not in the fashion of Hougen, who just wants to be a tyrant with full control. Masamune was almost fascinated with the trait of loyal warriors who didn't waver from their beliefs. Maybe Kenshin sort of realized this and thought it wouldn't be so bad to join him.

That's why Masamune says 'Kill him! that guy's useless to both me and kenshin!' about the 2nd commander. As corrupt as Masamune was, he's definitely one of the more ...understandable? antagonists of Ginga.
Yea, I meant that he didn't want him because he's disloyal. If the guy changed sides once, he could do it again, this time abandoning Masamune, but you worded it much better! :D
I think he's more dimensional than other villains. Both Hougen and Sniper knew they are doing evil things, to the point of having satanic images, and Viktor just didn't care if he's on the right or wrong side, he wanted power.
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Re: GDW:O General Questions Topic

Post by Dragon » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:03 pm

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I think he's more dimensional than other villains. Both Hougen and Sniper knew they are doing evil things, to the point of having satanic images, and Viktor just didn't care if he's on the right or wrong side, he wanted power.
Thats such a good point, haha. Hougen wouldn't think about loyalty until later in the arc. Sniper is aware of it but his desire to destroy Gin is his main priority.
Viktor's desire to survive and be in power was even unique compared to those two as well as a war dog having to survive in harsh environments for so long. I still remember he almost recruited Jerome just for being a skilled GSD. Thats interesting.
I don't give Yoshi enough credit for his villain development. These 4 show some clear awareness to how they act and believe in o:
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Re: GDW:O General Questions Topic

Post by Gingaddict » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:08 am

Does anyone know how old Orion, his siblings and his young friends are meant to be in the series?
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Re: GDW:O General Questions Topic

Post by Spirit Tree » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:23 am

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Does anyone know how old Orion, his siblings and his young friends are meant to be in the series?
In my estimation, I think they were all about 2-3 months old at the beginning of GDWO and just over 6 months old at the end.
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Re: GDW:O General Questions Topic

Post by Dragon » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:37 am

Spirit Tree wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:23 am
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:08 am
Does anyone know how old Orion, his siblings and his young friends are meant to be in the series?
In my estimation, I think they were all about 2-3 months old at the beginning of GDWO and just over 6 months old at the end.
Yeah this sounds about right. they're still sooooo small by the end of the series, so they're definitely not very close to being a year old yet, especially with how big they get by TLW, when they're 1-2 years old by then.
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Re: GDW:O General Questions Topic

Post by Gingaddict » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:09 pm

Dragon wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:37 am
Spirit Tree wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:23 am
Gingaddict wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:08 am
Does anyone know how old Orion, his siblings and his young friends are meant to be in the series?
In my estimation, I think they were all about 2-3 months old at the beginning of GDWO and just over 6 months old at the end.
Yeah this sounds about right. they're still sooooo small by the end of the series, so they're definitely not very close to being a year old yet, especially with how big they get by TLW, when they're 1-2 years old by then.
That young huh? No wonder I didn't believe Orion could do so much fighting and have so much strength at that bloody age! :tfw_sirius3:
I did a Ginga dog horoscope and according my calculations, I am most like Gin! Am I lucky?

I took one of those 'Which character are you?' tests, one which happened to be Ginga related and it said I would
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Post by Digsu » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:12 pm

Spirit Tree wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:23 am
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:08 am
Does anyone know how old Orion, his siblings and his young friends are meant to be in the series?
In my estimation, I think they were all about 2-3 months old at the beginning of GDWO and just over 6 months old at the end.
In GDWO volume 19, it's said that "Andy was six months old, so about Orion's age" so your estimation is correct. :tfw_sirius3:



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Post by Leomonade » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:31 pm

Yeah the kids in GDWO were SUPER young... which is why I found it really disturbing how eager the older characters were to take them into war. Gin was like the only one that actually tried to herd the kids out of harm's way but then Weed comes back and ruins everything again.
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Post by Gingaddict » Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:33 pm

Leomonade wrote:
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Yeah the kids in GDWO were SUPER young... which is why I found it really disturbing how eager the older characters were to take them into war. Gin was like the only one that actually tried to herd the kids out of harm's way but then Weed comes back and ruins everything again.
Yeah, they either needed better guardians or more younger dogs to be at their level
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Post by kahooton » Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:51 am

Gingaddict wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:33 pm
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Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:31 pm
Yeah the kids in GDWO were SUPER young... which is why I found it really disturbing how eager the older characters were to take them into war. Gin was like the only one that actually tried to herd the kids out of harm's way but then Weed comes back and ruins everything again.
Yeah, they either needed better guardians or more younger dogs to be at their level
FR!! I kept thinking that when Orion followed Izo and his brothers and challenged Masamune, like bro you're equivalent to a 6 year old please calm down.
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Post by sabrus » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:39 pm

do you think it's okay to read GDW:O without reading GDW or am i going to miss out on too much important stuff? :THOT:
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Re: GDW:O General Questions Topic

Post by Kaiken » Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:32 pm

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do you think it's okay to read GDW:O without reading GDW or am i going to miss out on too much important stuff? :THOT:
All English readers have done that, because GDW is not translated yet, so I think you're safe. :)
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Post by sabrus » Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:04 pm

okay, thanks a lot! :tfw_bella2:
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Re: GDW:O General Questions Topic

Post by kahooton » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:17 am

Kaiken wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:32 pm
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Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:39 pm
do you think it's okay to read GDW:O without reading GDW or am i going to miss out on too much important stuff? :THOT:
All English readers have done that, because GDW is not translated yet, so I think you're safe. :)
Not to mention most of the GDW/GNG cast is absent for the majority of the story
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Re: GDW:O General Questions Topic

Post by Pawbreaker » Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:59 pm

I wasn't a big fan, Orion was the point in the series where I just stopped buying Ginga. I was really disappointed in Bellas role in the story (that she had none), that was the reason I stopped reading. I also feel like Takahashis writing style is very repetitive. Its always the same stuff! It just doesn't hold my interest anymore.

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Post by Tora » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:17 pm

Hey guys, I need help looking for 2 minor names. Yasu and Shōta. I know they show up in Vol 13 and seen them, but I can't find where their names are being said.
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Re: GDW:O General Questions Topic

Post by Digsu » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:46 pm

Tora wrote:
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Hey guys, I need help looking for 2 minor names. Yasu and Shōta. I know they show up in Vol 13 and seen them, but I can't find where their names are being said.
It's on page 115 of volume 14.
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Post by Tora » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:49 pm

Digsu wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:46 pm
Tora wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:17 pm
Hey guys, I need help looking for 2 minor names. Yasu and Shōta. I know they show up in Vol 13 and seen them, but I can't find where their names are being said.
It's on page 115 of volume 14.
SPOILER
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