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Re: What happened to-?

Post by Birdcrossing » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:43 am

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ok here i go... YUKIMURA
Yukimura died at the end of the Monkey Arc. He was killed by Shōgun.
sorry oops i must have forgotten
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Re: What happened to-?

Post by Shining Sirius » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:25 pm

Okay, this has been bothering me for a while now: whatever happened to all the Iga/Koga females?

I'm assuming that the Koga still had breeding females stashed away behind the scenes since their numbers are higher than the Iga dogs. Or, at least it's implied from the way they're drawn in both the anime and manga. However, all the Iga dogs all seem to be depicted as male... so, what happened? How did their lineage survive so long if the female population was in jeopardy? Or, did the Koga dogs kill all the Iga females...? :derpgin:
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Re: What happened to-?

Post by Troll Berserker » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:36 pm

Shining Sirius wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:25 pm
Okay, this has been bothering me for a while now: whatever happened to all the Iga/Koga females?

I'm assuming that the Koga still had breeding females stashed away behind the scenes since their numbers are higher than the Iga dogs. Or, at least it's implied from the way they're drawn in both the anime and manga. However, all the Iga dogs all seem to be depicted as male... so, what happened? How did their lineage survive so long if the female population was in jeopardy? Or, did the Koga dogs kill all the Iga females...? :derpgin:
As far as I remember Akame just discharged Igas after GNG events while Kogas were revived later by The Elder.
There are no known Koga or Iga females (at least not in GNG+ timeline. GDA had Hakutaka's mom and that's about it), not like it's a suprise tho...
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Re: What happened to-?

Post by Digsu » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:49 pm

Troll Berserker wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:36 pm
Shining Sirius wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:25 pm
Okay, this has been bothering me for a while now: whatever happened to all the Iga/Koga females?

I'm assuming that the Koga still had breeding females stashed away behind the scenes since their numbers are higher than the Iga dogs. Or, at least it's implied from the way they're drawn in both the anime and manga. However, all the Iga dogs all seem to be depicted as male... so, what happened? How did their lineage survive so long if the female population was in jeopardy? Or, did the Koga dogs kill all the Iga females...? :derpgin:
As far as I remember Akame just discharged Igas after GNG events while Kogas were revived later by The Elder.
There are no known Koga or Iga females (at least not in GNG+ timeline. GDA had Hakutaka's mom and that's about it), not like it's a suprise tho...
Going by the events of GDWO, there were no adult Igas left to discharge after GNG - all the adults other than Akame were dead and the puppies had been taken to live with humans to ensure the end of the Iga/Koga war.

There's a scene in GDW where the new generation of Kogas want to kill Weed because "the Ohu army killed [their] fathers", which sort of implies that all the females were just hidden away somewhere while the males did the fighting. Though that would also raise additional questions like "if they didn't live in the underwater hideout, then where were they?" and "if they're still hiding away somewhere rearing pups, why haven't we seen any new Koga dogs after GDW?" so who knows.



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Re: What happened to-?

Post by Shining Sirius » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:35 pm

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Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:36 pm
As far as I remember Akame just discharged Igas after GNG events while Kogas were revived later by The Elder.
There are no known Koga or Iga females (at least not in GNG+ timeline. GDA had Hakutaka's mom and that's about it), not like it's a suprise tho...
Yeah, that doesn't come as much of a surprise considering the blatant sexism that's besmirched the series since the 1980's... apparently the ninja dogs were so manly that they figured out a way of procreating without females? :derpgin:

Akame's bloodline has always irked me, too. He claims to have puppies to Ben whilst in captivity, yet none of the Iga dogs seem truly confirmed to be his. He then magically has a daughter (the mother of Shirozaru, Muu and Rara) whom only appears in GDW:O and wants nothing to do with her father. So what happened timeline-wise? Why is so much information missing? Or did this all just slip into the inexplicable void like so many of Takahashi's characters? :/
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Going by the events of GDWO, there were no adult Igas left to discharge after GNG - all the adults other than Akame were dead and the puppies had been taken to live with humans to ensure the end of the Iga/Koga war.

There's a scene in GDW where the new generation of Kogas want to kill Weed because "the Ohu army killed [their] fathers", which sort of implies that all the females were just hidden away somewhere while the males did the fighting. Though that would also raise additional questions like "if they didn't live in the underwater hideout, then where were they?" and "if they're still hiding away somewhere rearing pups, why haven't we seen any new Koga dogs after GDW?" so who knows.

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Re: What happened to-?

Post by Digsu » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:16 am

Shining Sirius wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:35 pm
Akame's bloodline has always irked me, too. He claims to have puppies to Ben whilst in captivity, yet none of the Iga dogs seem truly confirmed to be his. He then magically has a daughter (the mother of Shirozaru, Muu and Rara) whom only appears in GDW:O and wants nothing to do with her father. So what happened timeline-wise? Why is so much information missing? Or did this all just slip into the inexplicable void like so many of Takahashi's characters? :/
Meteor Gin says that Akame's six puppies grew up and began to serve their father. There are several unnamed Iga dogs in GNG, any of whom could be one of the six puppies.

Shirozaru's mother was one of the puppies that Akame took to live with humans some time before Gin and the others met him, so that bit's actually consistent timeline-wise. The reason she "didn't want anything to do with him" was because Akame himself forbade his descendants from becoming ninjas (or possibly fighters of any kind) for as long as he lived.



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Re: What happened to-?

Post by Shining Sirius » Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:55 pm

Digsu wrote:
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Meteor Gin says that Akame's six puppies grew up and began to serve their father. There are several unnamed Iga dogs in GNG, any of whom could be one of the six puppies.

Shirozaru's mother was one of the puppies that Akame took to live with humans some time before Gin and the others met him, so that bit's actually consistent timeline-wise. The reason she "didn't want anything to do with him" was because Akame himself forbade his descendants from becoming ninjas (or possibly fighters of any kind) for as long as he lived.
Oops, forgot that I hadn't yet answered you.
In that case, is it highly likely they were some of the Iga dogs who committed sacrificial suicide fighting Kurojaki's dogs? I thought that Akame joined the Ohu army with only Kirikaze and Jinnai... or, do I have a false memory? :derpgin:

Ohh, so the mother of Shirozaru, Muu and Rara did actually have her own background explained? Wow, that seems... strangely consistent of Yoshihiro Takahashi. Not that I particularly blame him for the frequented inconsistencies... he has such an insanely varied cast of characters that even he must forget essential and/or minute details. That was a pretty noble thing for Akame to do in that case. Thanks for the information, Digsu. :DD
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Re: What happened to-?

Post by Digsu » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:21 am

Shining Sirius wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:55 pm
Digsu wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:16 am
Meteor Gin says that Akame's six puppies grew up and began to serve their father. There are several unnamed Iga dogs in GNG, any of whom could be one of the six puppies.

Shirozaru's mother was one of the puppies that Akame took to live with humans some time before Gin and the others met him, so that bit's actually consistent timeline-wise. The reason she "didn't want anything to do with him" was because Akame himself forbade his descendants from becoming ninjas (or possibly fighters of any kind) for as long as he lived.
Oops, forgot that I hadn't yet answered you.
In that case, is it highly likely they were some of the Iga dogs who committed sacrificial suicide fighting Kurojaki's dogs? I thought that Akame joined the Ohu army with only Kirikaze and Jinnai... or, do I have a false memory? :derpgin:

Ohh, so the mother of Shirozaru, Muu and Rara did actually have her own background explained? Wow, that seems... strangely consistent of Yoshihiro Takahashi. Not that I particularly blame him for the frequented inconsistencies... he has such an insanely varied cast of characters that even he must forget essential and/or minute details. That was a pretty noble thing for Akame to do in that case. Thanks for the information, Digsu. :DD
Akame is shown to have four surviving followers after the battle with the Kogas, though Kirikaze and Jinnai are the only named ones.

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It's also mentioned that there were some unseen Igas patrolling the mountains who were killed and eaten by the Kogas, in addition to the ones we saw dying in battle against them. It's even possible that all of Akame's six puppies were already dead by the time of GNG.

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Re: What happened to-?

Post by Shining Sirius » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:34 pm

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Akame is shown to have four surviving followers after the battle with the Kogas, though Kirikaze and Jinnai are the only named ones.

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It's also mentioned that there were some unseen Igas patrolling the mountains who were killed and eaten by the Kogas, in addition to the ones we saw dying in battle against them. It's even possible that all of Akame's six puppies were already dead by the time of GNG.

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Oh I see. Maybe it's because they're unnamed characters that I simply forgot about them. :blank:

That's unfortunate about Akame's puppies... it just strengthens his argument for abandoning the shinobi lifestyle.
I think then that we can also deduce from your information that the Koga females remained hidden in their territory and continued to produce offspring, even although we never actually see any either. Because, apparently ninjas are too manly to have mums?
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Re: What happened to-?

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Shining Sirius wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:34 pm
Digsu wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:21 am
Akame is shown to have four surviving followers after the battle with the Kogas, though Kirikaze and Jinnai are the only named ones.

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It's also mentioned that there were some unseen Igas patrolling the mountains who were killed and eaten by the Kogas, in addition to the ones we saw dying in battle against them. It's even possible that all of Akame's six puppies were already dead by the time of GNG.

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Oh I see. Maybe it's because they're unnamed characters that I simply forgot about them. :blank:

That's unfortunate about Akame's puppies... it just strengthens his argument for abandoning the shinobi lifestyle.
I think then that we can also deduce from your information that the Koga females remained hidden in their territory and continued to produce offspring, even although we never actually see any either. Because, apparently ninjas are too manly to have mums?
:weed:: Gee Tesshin, what happened to your mother?
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Lol, it's especially weird, because in GDA and GtAF the mothers were ninjas too! Honou from GtAF and that akita mom and that human mom in GDA...
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