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Let's discuss the "surnames" that some characters have, or if "titles" fits better to describe it.

Surnames:
Gin Nagareboshi (also as Gin the Shooting Star)
Andy Valkom/Valkama
Kyôshirô Shirogane
Tôbê Kuroki
Kenshin Nokizaru
Yamabiko Kurohabaki
Terumune Kurohabaki
Masamune Kurohabaki
Shin Hidaka
Reiji Hidaka
Nyūdōunsai Sanada
Gennai Ogasawara


Titles (thanks to Digsu):
Gin: Nagareboshi Gin (Gin the Shooting Star)
Ben: Ouu no Fudou Myou-ou (Fudō Myō-ō of Ohu), Honoo no Shoukou (Blazing Officer), Toushou (literally Brave Leader, translated as Warmaster in the Finnish editions)
John: the Eastern Tiger
Mukonga: Tetsujin (Ironman), Rekkabou (Wildfire Monk)
Kaito: Fuujin
Batto: Shingan (Mind's Eye)
Buruge: Yashamori no Buruge (Buruge of Yaksha forest), Shinigami (Death God)
Kai Bros: Kai no Maken (literally Demon Dogs of Kai, translated as Hellhounds of Kai in the Finnish editions)
Kurotora: Hebigoroshi (Snakeslayer)
Fuuga: Ougon Senshi (Golden Warrior)
Akakabuto: Kyouyuu (Mad Bear), the Monster
Moss: Kasumidake no Enma Daiou (Yama of Kasumidake)
Suiga: Sanzu no Kawa no Banpei (Guardian of Sanzu River)
Matheus: Shiroi Urufu (White Wolf), White Demon
George: Hagure no George (George the Loner)
Hakutaka: Akame
Ukon: Akame
Shirakami: Akame


Just to name a few. Any others that has a "surname" or "title" to their real name you know of? ^^
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There's also at least Jirouta Ishibuchi from GDWO, Reiji Hidaka from the Gaiden series, and of course the Kurohabaki family. Benimaru from GDA also refers to himself as Benimaru Itou once before his death.

I really wish we got some canon explanation for why some dogs take up surnames. Going by Benimaru's case, it's plausible that dogs who belong or used to belong to humans took up their master's surname, but then you have characters like Kyoushiro (yes, I believe Shirogane is meant to be a surname and it being translated like a title into "the Silver" is a translation error) who apparently just gave themselves surnames at random.

As for clear titles, rather than surnames, I can think of:
Ben: Ouu no Fudou Myou-ou (Fudō Myō-ō of Ohu), Honoo no Shoukou (Blazing Officer), Toushou (literally Brave Leader, translated as Warmaster in the Finnish editions)
Mukonga: Tetsujin (Ironman), Rekkabou (Wildfire Monk)
Kite: Fuujin
Batto: Shingan (Mind's Eye)
Kai Bros: Kai no Maken (literally Demon Dogs of Kai, translated as Hellhounds of Kai in the Finnish editions)
Kurotora: Hebigoroshi (Snakeslayer)
Fuuga: Ougon Senshi (Golden Warrior)
Akakabuto: Kyouyuu (Mad Bear)
Moss: Kasumidake no Enma Daiou (Yama of Kasumidake)
Suiga: Sanzu no Kawa no Banpei (Guardian of Sanzu River)
Matheus: Shiroi Urufu (White Wolf)
George: Hagure no George (George the Loner)
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It's really interessting with the 'surnames' and 'titles'. Any more with these? ^^
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Does Nokizaru Kenshin count?
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Doragon wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:33 am Does Nokizaru Kenshin count?
That would definatly do.

As well as:
Yamabiko Kurohabaki
Terumune Kurohabaki
Masamune Kurohabaki
Shin Hidaka
Reiji Hidaka

Anyone else? Also updated the first post ^^
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Hakutaka from GDA had a title: Akame.
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Doragon wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:56 am Hakutaka from GDA had a title: Akame.
Added. ^^
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Aside from his introduction, was Kyoushirou ever called Shirogane or Shiro (according to wiki) again?
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John the Eastern Tiger
also, Gin's surname is said to be Ohu. Gin from Ohu, not Nagareboshi. That would be title, not surname..
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Kaiken wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:49 am John the Eastern Tiger
also, Gin's surname is said to be Ohu. Gin from Ohu, not Nagareboshi. That would be title, not surname..
John is added under Titles. ^^

Also, there's a reason Gin Nagareboshi is both under Surname and Title, as it kinda fits both. Specially if going after Finnish translation that translated it to "Gin Tähdenlento" as in "Gin Shooting Star" where Shooting Star/Nagareboshi is treated as a surname.
And Gin from Ôu is describing where he's from. Like "Akatora form Kai", "Ben from Kofu" "Akame from Iga", etc. It's not a surname. Not more the me would be Tora from Sweden (or the city/area in Sweden I would descibe myself to be from). ^^
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Thanks for explaining, and here's some more I remembered:


Hakuro the Brown Bear Killer
Akakabuto the monster
Matheus was also called White Demon


Also, I thought it could be interesting to create a list of their jobs/occupations as well, such as assassins, generals, leaders, vassals, trainers, scouts, messengers, etc?


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Ogasawara Gennai, according to pg135 vol 14 GDWO
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Updated some more ^^
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Hakuro was called the 'Demon King' in the Russian arc, when he died.

There's that silly dog who said he gets called the 'snapping turtle' in the anime, during Kurotora's nephews' fight lol
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Dragon wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:02 pm Hakuro was called the 'Demon King' in the Russian arc, when he died.

There's that silly dog who said he gets called the 'snapping turtle' in the anime, during Kurotora's nephews' fight lol
The narration specifically calls Hakurou the "Demon King of Douhoku" (道北の魔王) immediately before and after his death.

The dog you're thinking of is "Pepe the Snapping Turtle"... though watching the scene, it sounds like he calls himself "suppon no Pepe" (スッポンのペペ), and "suppon" refers to a completely different species of turtle (either the Chinese soft-shelled turtle or soft-shelled turtles in general). The Japanese word for the (common) snapping turtle is "kamitsukigame" (カミツキガメ) instead.

That said, "Snapping Turtle" as a title is probably a perfectly acceptable localization because "Pepe the Soft-Shelled Turtle" doesn't sound quite as intimidating in English :surprisegin:
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This chapter image from Shounen Jump features some old titles and some I don't think have been mentioned before.
Gin: Shooting Star (流れ星 nagareboshi)
Akame: Iga Ninja Dog (伊賀忍犬 Iga ninken)
Kurotora and Chutora: Demon Dog of Kai (甲斐の魔犬 Kai no maken)
Ben: Blazing Officer (炎の将校 honoo no shoukou)
John: Sniper (written with 狙撃手, the kanji for "sharpshooter", but pronounced as スナイパー/sunaipaa)
Musashi: Yokozuna of Tosa Fighting Dogs (土佐闘犬横綱 Tosa touken yokozuna)
Cross: Ben's Wife (ベンの妻 Ben no tsuma)
Moss: Devil of Kasumidake (霞岳の魔王 Kasumidake no maou)
Fuuga: Golden Wolf of Legend (伝説の金狼 densetsu no kinrou)
Retsuga: Hakkenshi (八犬士)
Noroi: Commander of the Hakkenshi (八犬士の総帥 Hakkenshi no sousui)
Reima: Boss of the Wolves (狼族のボス ookamizoku no bosu)
Hyouma: Young Noble of the Wolves (狼族の若 ookamizoku no waka)

John is pretty interesting since his title is... y'know, the name of a whole different character. And then there's poor Cross, whose greatest achievement in life apparently is being married.
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Digsu wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:58 pm This chapter image from Shounen Jump features some old titles and some I don't think have been mentioned before.
Gin: Shooting Star (流れ星 nagareboshi)
Akame: Iga Ninja Dog (伊賀忍犬 Iga ninken)
Kurotora and Chutora: Demon Dog of Kai (甲斐の魔犬 Kai no maken)
Ben: Blazing Officer (炎の将校 honoo no shoukou)
John: Sniper (written with 狙撃手, the kanji for "sharpshooter", but pronounced as スナイパー/sunaipaa)
Musashi: Yokozuna of Tosa Fighting Dogs (土佐闘犬横綱 Tosa touken yokozuna)
Cross: Ben's Wife (ベンの妻 Ben no tsuma)
Moss: Devil of Kasumidake (霞岳の魔王 Kasumidake no maou)
Fuuga: Golden Wolf of Legend (伝説の金狼 densetsu no kinrou)
Retsuga: Hakkenshi (八犬士)
Noroi: Commander of the Hakkenshi (八犬士の総帥 Hakkenshi no sousui)
Reima: Boss of the Wolves (狼族のボス ookamizoku no bosu)
Hyouma: Young Noble of the Wolves (狼族の若 ookamizoku no waka)

John is pretty interesting since his title is... y'know, the name of a whole different character. And then there's poor Cross, whose greatest achievement in life apparently is being married.

"Ben's Wife".... that is so mean wtf
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Just typical Ginga misogyny.
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Thank to Digsu for posting this pic, and I took my free time to get about the characters:

Ben - Blazing officer/flame officer (炎の将校・ベン honoo no shoukou - Ben)
Hakurou - from the North Sea/Hokkaido (北海の白狼 hokkai no Hakurou)
Four Heavenly Kings of Mutsu, Kisaragi (陸奥四天王 , 如月 mutsu shitennou, Kisaragi
Sniper - the Commendant (司令官・スナイパー shireikan - Sniper)
Swimmer - the swimming expert (泳ぎの名手・スイマー oyogi no meishu - Swimmer)
Bemu - commander of Satsuma (薩摩の大将・ベム Satsuma no taishou - Bemu)
Hyena - the traitor (?!) (裏切者 (!?) ・ハイエナ uragirimono - Hyena)
Smith - the lady-killer (色男・スミス irootoko - Smith)
Oliver - the funny one (ひょうきん・オリバー hyoukin - Oliver)
Great - 2nd platoon commander (2班小隊長・グレート 2 han shoutaichou - Great)
Musashi - the yokozuna Tosa fighting dog (土佐闘犬横綱・武蔵 tosatouken yokozuna - Musashi)
Jaguar - son of Moss (モスの息子・ジャガー Moss no musuko - Jaguar)
Hurricane - from Hyuga (日向のハリケーン hyuuga no Hurricane)
Bill - the bandit from Shikoku (四国の山賊・ビル shikoku no sanzoku - Bill)
Wilson - the genius of geography (地理の天才・ウィルソン chiri no tensei - Wilson)
Akame - the ninja dog of Iga (伊賀の忍犬・赤目 iga no ninken - Akame)
Gin - the Shooting Star (流れ星・銀 nagareboshi - Gin)
Riki - the supreme commander of Ou (奥羽の総大将・リキ Ouu no soudaishou - Riki)
Cross - the lone woman (紅一点・クロス kouitten - Cross)
Moss - the devil of Kasumidake (霞岳の魔王・モス kasumidake no maou - Moss)
John - Gin's good rival (銀のよきライバル・ジョン Gin no yoki rival - John)
Demon dogs - the three brothers from Kai Akatora, Chutora, Kurotora (魔犬・甲斐の三兄弟 赤虎,中虎,黒虎 maken - kai no san kyoudai , Akatora, Chutora, Kurotora)
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