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Re: GDW General Questions Thread

Post by Digsu » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:42 am

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In GDW early volumes it says that the Ohu high command wasn't letting anyone in their territory and killed anyone who came too close, their own low-rank soldiers, women and children included, to enforce such a role. That's not very noble. Was it really Gin's command? Or Tokimune's? It's never explained.
It's one of the hints early GDW gave us that something's wrong in Ohu and possibly with the GNG characters, a plot point that was thrown straight out the window as soon as Kaibutsu showed up.

Assuming the rule is even canon at this point, it's safe to assume it came from Tokimune, as there's no way Gin would have condoned it.



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Re: GDW General Questions Thread

Post by Kaiken » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:31 am

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Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:42 am
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:34 am
In GDW early volumes it says that the Ohu high command wasn't letting anyone in their territory and killed anyone who came too close, their own low-rank soldiers, women and children included, to enforce such a role. That's not very noble. Was it really Gin's command? Or Tokimune's? It's never explained.
It's one of the hints early GDW gave us that something's wrong in Ohu and possibly with the GNG characters, a plot point that was thrown straight out the window as soon as Kaibutsu showed up.

Assuming the rule is even canon at this point, it's safe to assume it came from Tokimune, as there's no way Gin would have condoned it.
Hey, that's still pretty dark for Tokimune to do so. Plus, the rest of them (Tony and whatever the white one's name was) were fine with it, too.
Or is it that Tokimune actually took over the command as the actual leader, assuming Gin is no more. He took care that the rest of officers/VIP dogs are out of the way so no one would object - Smith gone after Sakura, Moss back to his owner (after living in wild for years even before Akakabuto), Kurotora, too, off. Maybe he even killed the wolves?
Tokimune did a takeover and nobody noticed! Now that's a theory.
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Re: GDW General Questions Thread

Post by Kaiken » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:31 am

Digsu wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:42 am
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:34 am
In GDW early volumes it says that the Ohu high command wasn't letting anyone in their territory and killed anyone who came too close, their own low-rank soldiers, women and children included, to enforce such a role. That's not very noble. Was it really Gin's command? Or Tokimune's? It's never explained.
It's one of the hints early GDW gave us that something's wrong in Ohu and possibly with the GNG characters, a plot point that was thrown straight out the window as soon as Kaibutsu showed up.

Assuming the rule is even canon at this point, it's safe to assume it came from Tokimune, as there's no way Gin would have condoned it.
Hey, that's still pretty dark for Tokimune to do so. Plus, the rest of them (Tony and whatever the white one's name was) were fine with it, too.
Or is it that Tokimune actually took over the command as the actual leader, assuming Gin is no more. He took care that the rest of officers/VIP dogs are out of the way so no one would object - Smith gone after Sakura, Moss back to his owner (after living in wild for years even before Akakabuto), Kurotora, too, off. Maybe he even killed the wolves?
Tokimune did a takeover and nobody noticed! Now that's a theory.
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Re: GDW General Questions Thread

Post by Digsu » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:57 am

Kaiken wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:31 am
Digsu wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:42 am
Kaiken wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:34 am
In GDW early volumes it says that the Ohu high command wasn't letting anyone in their territory and killed anyone who came too close, their own low-rank soldiers, women and children included, to enforce such a role. That's not very noble. Was it really Gin's command? Or Tokimune's? It's never explained.
It's one of the hints early GDW gave us that something's wrong in Ohu and possibly with the GNG characters, a plot point that was thrown straight out the window as soon as Kaibutsu showed up.

Assuming the rule is even canon at this point, it's safe to assume it came from Tokimune, as there's no way Gin would have condoned it.
Hey, that's still pretty dark for Tokimune to do so. Plus, the rest of them (Tony and whatever the white one's name was) were fine with it, too.
Or is it that Tokimune actually took over the command as the actual leader, assuming Gin is no more. He took care that the rest of officers/VIP dogs are out of the way so no one would object - Smith gone after Sakura, Moss back to his owner (after living in wild for years even before Akakabuto), Kurotora, too, off. Maybe he even killed the wolves?
Tokimune did a takeover and nobody noticed! Now that's a theory.
Personally, I've always just assumed it was Tokimune cracking under the combined pressure of Gin and co having been gone for years and humans suddenly turning against the Ohu dogs - we don't know how good a leader he was and the two factors could have made him take drastic measures out of desperation.

But, again, early GDW had more than a few issues with continuity so we can't even know for certain if "Tokimune was kind of an asshole" is even considered canon at this point.



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Re: GDW General Questions Thread

Post by Kaiken » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:15 pm

Digsu wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:57 am
Kaiken wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:31 am
Digsu wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:42 am


It's one of the hints early GDW gave us that something's wrong in Ohu and possibly with the GNG characters, a plot point that was thrown straight out the window as soon as Kaibutsu showed up.

Assuming the rule is even canon at this point, it's safe to assume it came from Tokimune, as there's no way Gin would have condoned it.
Hey, that's still pretty dark for Tokimune to do so. Plus, the rest of them (Tony and whatever the white one's name was) were fine with it, too.
Or is it that Tokimune actually took over the command as the actual leader, assuming Gin is no more. He took care that the rest of officers/VIP dogs are out of the way so no one would object - Smith gone after Sakura, Moss back to his owner (after living in wild for years even before Akakabuto), Kurotora, too, off. Maybe he even killed the wolves?
Tokimune did a takeover and nobody noticed! Now that's a theory.
Personally, I've always just assumed it was Tokimune cracking under the combined pressure of Gin and co having been gone for years and humans suddenly turning against the Ohu dogs - we don't know how good a leader he was and the two factors could have made him take drastic measures out of desperation.

But, again, early GDW had more than a few issues with continuity so we can't even know for certain if "Tokimune was kind of an asshole" is even considered canon at this point.
What issues do you mean, other than the timeline?
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Re: GDW General Questions Thread

Post by Digsu » Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:37 pm

Kaiken wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:15 pm
Digsu wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:57 am
Kaiken wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:31 am


Hey, that's still pretty dark for Tokimune to do so. Plus, the rest of them (Tony and whatever the white one's name was) were fine with it, too.
Or is it that Tokimune actually took over the command as the actual leader, assuming Gin is no more. He took care that the rest of officers/VIP dogs are out of the way so no one would object - Smith gone after Sakura, Moss back to his owner (after living in wild for years even before Akakabuto), Kurotora, too, off. Maybe he even killed the wolves?
Tokimune did a takeover and nobody noticed! Now that's a theory.
Personally, I've always just assumed it was Tokimune cracking under the combined pressure of Gin and co having been gone for years and humans suddenly turning against the Ohu dogs - we don't know how good a leader he was and the two factors could have made him take drastic measures out of desperation.

But, again, early GDW had more than a few issues with continuity so we can't even know for certain if "Tokimune was kind of an asshole" is even considered canon at this point.
What issues do you mean, other than the timeline?
Well, it mostly has to do with the timeline and some things just not adding up.

The narration states that Blue went to Ohu five years ago and was met with nothing but gun-toting humans, while Tesshin's flashback in volume 11 shows Ohu in a relatively peaceful state only months before Weed's birth. (incidentally, the "revelation" of Blue being a former Ohu soldier despite literally only once visiting the place is another example of early GDW's hoard of bizarre and pointless red herrings about Ohu now being corrupt)

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It tries to weakly handwave this by stating that "there had been some conflicts with the humans", but it's far from being the gunfire-filled hellhole Blue's backstory makes it sound like. It also does reference the "no unauthorized personnel around Gajou" by stating that Lucy was the only female allowed there, though there's no mention of the supposed death penalty.

There's also the matter of many of the veteran soldiers supposedly not having lived in Ohu for years - Ken says he hasn't seen Cross in six years upon seeing her again - despite Gin's flashback from volume 35 showing almost all the main characters from GNG in Ohu two years prior. This includes Gin himself despite the fact that he and his possé had supposedly been away for several years by the time Kaibutsu began causing trouble.

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There's also generally the fact that nobody brings up the fact that the top dogs at Ohu were supposedly executing females and pups for trespassing after Kaibutsu shows up. Given the strict code of honor the army runs on, you'd think someone would let Gin know that was happening while he was away.



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Re: GDW General Questions Thread

Post by Dragon » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:01 pm

Digsu wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:37 pm
Kaiken wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:15 pm
Digsu wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:57 am


Personally, I've always just assumed it was Tokimune cracking under the combined pressure of Gin and co having been gone for years and humans suddenly turning against the Ohu dogs - we don't know how good a leader he was and the two factors could have made him take drastic measures out of desperation.

But, again, early GDW had more than a few issues with continuity so we can't even know for certain if "Tokimune was kind of an asshole" is even considered canon at this point.
What issues do you mean, other than the timeline?
Well, it mostly has to do with the timeline and some things just not adding up.

The narration states that Blue went to Ohu five years ago and was met with nothing but gun-toting humans, while Tesshin's flashback in volume 11 shows Ohu in a relatively peaceful state only months before Weed's birth. (incidentally, the "revelation" of Blue being a former Ohu soldier despite literally only once visiting the place is another example of early GDW's hoard of bizarre and pointless red herrings about Ohu now being corrupt)

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It tries to weakly handwave this by stating that "there had been some conflicts with the humans", but it's far from being the gunfire-filled hellhole Blue's backstory makes it sound like. It also does reference the "no unauthorized personnel around Gajou" by stating that Lucy was the only female allowed there, though there's no mention of the supposed death penalty.

There's also the matter of many of the veteran soldiers supposedly not having lived in Ohu for years - Ken says he hasn't seen Cross in six years upon seeing her again - despite Gin's flashback from volume 35 showing almost all the main characters from GNG in Ohu two years prior. This includes Gin himself despite the fact that he and his possé had supposedly been away for several years by the time Kaibutsu began causing trouble.

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There's also generally the fact that nobody brings up the fact that the top dogs at Ohu were supposedly executing females and pups for trespassing after Kaibutsu shows up. Given the strict code of honor the army runs on, you'd think someone would let Gin know that was happening while he was away.
Owff. Sheesh, literally none of this stuff adds up to anything coherent it seems LOL
I think the anime definitely did this better, making Smith and Sakura escape the monster and Smith losing her on the way.
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Re: GDW General Questions Thread

Post by Kaiken » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:47 pm

Dragon wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:01 pm
Digsu wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:37 pm
Kaiken wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:15 pm


What issues do you mean, other than the timeline?
Well, it mostly has to do with the timeline and some things just not adding up.

The narration states that Blue went to Ohu five years ago and was met with nothing but gun-toting humans, while Tesshin's flashback in volume 11 shows Ohu in a relatively peaceful state only months before Weed's birth. (incidentally, the "revelation" of Blue being a former Ohu soldier despite literally only once visiting the place is another example of early GDW's hoard of bizarre and pointless red herrings about Ohu now being corrupt)

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It tries to weakly handwave this by stating that "there had been some conflicts with the humans", but it's far from being the gunfire-filled hellhole Blue's backstory makes it sound like. It also does reference the "no unauthorized personnel around Gajou" by stating that Lucy was the only female allowed there, though there's no mention of the supposed death penalty.

There's also the matter of many of the veteran soldiers supposedly not having lived in Ohu for years - Ken says he hasn't seen Cross in six years upon seeing her again - despite Gin's flashback from volume 35 showing almost all the main characters from GNG in Ohu two years prior. This includes Gin himself despite the fact that he and his possé had supposedly been away for several years by the time Kaibutsu began causing trouble.

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There's also generally the fact that nobody brings up the fact that the top dogs at Ohu were supposedly executing females and pups for trespassing after Kaibutsu shows up. Given the strict code of honor the army runs on, you'd think someone would let Gin know that was happening while he was away.
Owff. Sheesh, literally none of this stuff adds up to anything coherent it seems LOL
I think the anime definitely did this better, making Smith and Sakura escape the monster and Smith losing her on the way.

Well, Smith did loose her on the way in comic as well, just not quite the same way as in tv series.

Digsu wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:37 pm
Kaiken wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:15 pm


What issues do you mean, other than the timeline?
Well, it mostly has to do with the timeline and some things just not adding up.

The narration states that Blue went to Ohu five years ago and was met with nothing but gun-toting humans, while Tesshin's flashback in volume 11 shows Ohu in a relatively peaceful state only months before Weed's birth. (incidentally, the "revelation" of Blue being a former Ohu soldier despite literally only once visiting the place is another example of early GDW's hoard of bizarre and pointless red herrings about Ohu now being corrupt)

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It tries to weakly handwave this by stating that "there had been some conflicts with the humans", but it's far from being the gunfire-filled hellhole Blue's backstory makes it sound like. It also does reference the "no unauthorized personnel around Gajou" by stating that Lucy was the only female allowed there, though there's no mention of the supposed death penalty.

There's also the matter of many of the veteran soldiers supposedly not having lived in Ohu for years - Ken says he hasn't seen Cross in six years upon seeing her again - despite Gin's flashback from volume 35 showing almost all the main characters from GNG in Ohu two years prior. This includes Gin himself despite the fact that he and his possé had supposedly been away for several years by the time Kaibutsu began causing trouble.

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There's also generally the fact that nobody brings up the fact that the top dogs at Ohu were supposedly executing females and pups for trespassing after Kaibutsu shows up. Given the strict code of honor the army runs on, you'd think someone would let Gin know that was happening while he was away.
There's no need to look over at timeline, for it's messed up anyways.
Before fighting Gemba's squad Kurotora says "Gajou is nobody's place. I heard that any righteous person can live there. I guess it really was just a rumor''. Hmmm.... :KRUMP:
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Re: GDW General Questions Thread

Post by Digsu » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:07 pm

Kaiken wrote:
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Before fighting Gemba's squad Kurotora says "Gajou is nobody's place. I heard that any righteous person can live there. I guess it really was just a rumor''. Hmmm.... :KRUMP:
In the manga, Kurotora said that about the Ohu paradise in general. Him also mentioning Gajou was only in the anime, where the "don't come near Gahou or we'll kill you" rule may or may not have even existed (Ken and Kagetora just say that the high-ranking dogs lived there, without mentioning what the punishment for approaching it was). The change in dialogue was possibly done because it went from a pack of nameless mountain bandits wanting to squat in Ohu to them being Genba's lackeys who specifically wanted to take over Gajou.



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What is Kaibutsu's scale compared to humans? Or better yet (since humans come in various sizes) his height by shoulder? My guess so far is maybe 130 or 150cm? Or is it 170cm? Would a human be shorter or taller? They also vary whenever it's comic or tv series?
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Kaiken wrote:
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What is Kaibutsu's scale compared to humans? Or better yet (since humans come in various sizes) his height by shoulder? My guess so far is maybe 130 or 150cm? Or is it 170cm? Would a human be shorter or taller? They also vary whenever it's comic or tv series?
This exact thing is actually discussed in Meishobu Retsuden, where it's estimated that Kaibutsu is 112 cm tall at the shoulders and 140 cm long, making him "at least the size of big cats" (though considerably shorter than the average adult human). Though it's also pointed out that he may look bigger or smaller depending on which panel or scene you're looking at.

As for the anime, according to the studio materials Kaibutsu is roughly twice as big as Ken. Assuming we're going by the average Great Dane height given in Meishobu Retsuden (80 cm at the shoulders), that would make anime Kaibutsu about 160-170cm at the shoulders.

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Digsu wrote:
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Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:52 pm
What is Kaibutsu's scale compared to humans? Or better yet (since humans come in various sizes) his height by shoulder? My guess so far is maybe 130 or 150cm? Or is it 170cm? Would a human be shorter or taller? They also vary whenever it's comic or tv series?
This exact thing is actually discussed in Meishobu Retsuden, where it's estimated that Kaibutsu is 112 cm tall at the shoulders and 140 cm long, making him "at least the size of big cats" (though considerably shorter than the average adult human). Though it's also pointed out that he may look bigger or smaller depending on which panel or scene you're looking at.

As for the anime, according to the studio materials Kaibutsu is roughly twice as big as Ken. Assuming we're going by the average Great Dane height given in Meishobu Retsuden (80 cm at the shoulders), that would make anime Kaibutsu about 160-170cm at the shoulders.

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Huh. That's interesting. 140 makes him barely larger than the Banks islands wolf.
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The Akakabuto flashback in the GDW anime... WHY was it portrayed so differently? I know it had to be intentional on Studio Deen's part but, why? Though part of me does think that it's because GDW toned down the violence a lot more than GNG did (Nero's and John's deaths compared tot he manga for example), but of all the things... Akakabuto getting decapitated was one of the most iconic scenes in GNG. Why change it that drastically?

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The Akakabuto flashback in the GDW anime... WHY was it portrayed so differently? I know it had to be intentional on Studio Deen's part but, why? Though part of me does think that it's because GDW toned down the violence a lot more than GNG did (Nero's and John's deaths compared tot he manga for example), but of all the things... Akakabuto getting decapitated was one of the most iconic scenes in GNG. Why change it that drastically?
You could as well ask why Studio Deen did all the drastic changes they did. There are many changes in that flashback that don't match the original battle: Gohee is there the whole time, and iirc Smith was also with the dogs attacking Akakabuto, even though originally he got injured early on, before the dogs even got to Akakabuto.

The only answer I can give to you is "artistic liberties".

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The Akakabuto flashback in the GDW anime... WHY was it portrayed so differently? I know it had to be intentional on Studio Deen's part but, why? Though part of me does think that it's because GDW toned down the violence a lot more than GNG did (Nero's and John's deaths compared tot he manga for example), but of all the things... Akakabuto getting decapitated was one of the most iconic scenes in GNG. Why change it that drastically?
You could as well ask why Studio Deen did all the drastic changes they did. There are many changes in that flashback that don't match the original battle: Gohee is there the whole time, and iirc Smith was also with the dogs attacking Akakabuto, even though originally he got injured early on, before the dogs even got to Akakabuto.

The only answer I can give to you is "artistic liberties".
There's also a distinct lack of dismembered heads in general in the anime - aside from Akakabuto keeping his head both in the first episode's flashback and in the shot where Tesshin explains the Battouga to Weed, there's at least North's death going from Kaibutsu tearing his head off and throwing it out of Gajou to Kaibutsu just slashing his throat and throwing him out in one piece (also Stone's death by decapitation but since Sniper was omitted from the anime I don't think that really counts). The anime also "softened" some other particularly unsavory scenes, like Hougen killing Nero, Hougen killing Genba, and John having his guts hanging out during his last battle and Hougen (noticing a pattern yet?) trying to pull them out.

In addition to artistic liberties, it seems Studio Deen had some limits on how violent the content was allowed to be.



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Post by Sketch-Shepherd » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:08 am

So... Kite's name. Should it be spelled as "Kite" or "Kaito" or is it just about the same thing? Bit of a linguistics/translation question here.

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So... Kite's name. Should it be spelled as "Kite" or "Kaito" or is it just about the same thing? Bit of a linguistics/translation question here.
There's really no way to know. The katakana カイト "kaito" could reasonably be romanized as either of those, seeing how Kaito is a Japanese name while Kite is an English word.

So it's mostly a matter of personal preference, really.



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Post by Limonzy » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:34 pm

I just realized this today but.. Did Daisuke not give Weed a name?
He calls Gin by his name of course, and he named Sirius, Orion, Rigel, and Bella. But all I remember him ever calling Weed was "Gin's son" or "little guy" etc... Did he really not bother giving Gin's son a name/nickname??? XD
That's just sad. Especially when Weed has been in his and Hidetoshi's care multiple times..

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Post by Kaiken » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:30 pm

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I just realized this today but.. Did Daisuke not give Weed a name?
He calls Gin by his name of course, and he named Sirius, Orion, Rigel, and Bella. But all I remember him ever calling Weed was "Gin's son" or "little guy" etc... Did he really not bother giving Gin's son a name/nickname??? XD
That's just sad. Especially when Weed has been in his and Hidetoshi's care multiple times..

Well, GB named Weed, instead of Daisuke... He couldn't know Weed's name.
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Re: GDW General Questions Thread

Post by Gingastar » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:06 am

Kaiken wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:30 pm
Limonzy wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:34 pm
I just realized this today but.. Did Daisuke not give Weed a name?
He calls Gin by his name of course, and he named Sirius, Orion, Rigel, and Bella. But all I remember him ever calling Weed was "Gin's son" or "little guy" etc... Did he really not bother giving Gin's son a name/nickname??? XD
That's just sad. Especially when Weed has been in his and Hidetoshi's care multiple times..

Well, GB named Weed, instead of Daisuke... He couldn't know Weed's name.
No, but I believe Limonzy is saying that they are surprised that Daisuke still didn't give Weed his own, separate name. Sort of like how Benizakura's name is Benizakura, but his human called him "Don".
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