Ginga Densetsu Noah, SPOILER THREAD

[YamaDora]

If Reika did go with the Aka'ari, it'd be cool to see her pull off the same stunt that she pulled with Hougen when she pretended to love him then pushed him in the river.

Didn't she do it only in anime?

She does this in the manga as well. Not only that, but she actually tries to kill Hougen when they're in the river (but fails).

[Dragon]

According to the last post of that Tweet, Crow shows up in the last two pages! I wonder what he's up to

[Akame]

I think it'd be a little tired if Reika did the exact same thing again but...it would be cool! Even cooler if she succeeded, but alas t'would be outlandish for a Ginga girl to be the victor in a face-off with the arcs main villain.

[Ian]

No new chapter in the next issue

[Spirit Tree]

Thought I’d join in on this thread. I just want to share my quick reactions or expressions for each chapter so far. Here I go.

SPOILER

Chapter 1: So Orion has disappeared from Ouu with sadness about Sirius’s death. That should be good thing because he may need it for a cure. But being gone for 6 months after the war in TLW is pretty long. Look at Sasuke and Kyoshiro trying to become the new comedy duo while searching for Orion and defending a white puppy from two thugs. No way this comedy duo will be that special. I get that Maru and Sunny are being a little mean toward this old dog. But what are the old dog and his granddaughter afraid of?

Chapter 2: Looks like the old dog and the girl named Miho are mistaking Jerome’s group for some villains that they might have seen before. Nice to see Kyoshiro kicking ass and saving the puppy. I think it’s pretty hysterical that the two thugs are just running away after hearing Sasuke chanting Kyoshiro’s full name. Also did that puppy’s ears just change?

Chapter 3: So Kyoshiro wants the puppy to man up. But the puppy is scared…and Kyoshiro hits the pu-WAIT A DAMN MINUTE!!! KYOSHIRO!! WHY THE HELL ARE YOU HURTING THAT POOR PUPPY?! AREN’T YOU THE SAME GUY WHO PROTECTED PUPPIES FROM ABUSIVE FATHERS?! WHAT’S GOING ON WITH YOU?! Damn, now I see why everyone began calling him “Jyoshiro.” I’m up with that. And as if that wasn’t enough puzzling situations, the grandpa dog dies so suddenly. Never had the feeling that was coming. Nothing to say about that husky dog.

Chapter 4: Wait, if the husky dog says that they are a pack of nameless dogs, then how is that one dog who abused the white puppy Hirota named Taichi? A little mysterious. Wow, everyone in the Ouu army is out searching for Orion like they need him to save the world or something. Good thing Rigel isn’t forgotten about.

Chapter 5: Hey, there’s Orion! So he’s on his way to see his mother and Bella and inform them about his brother’s death with sadness. Good for him. And he looks much calmer than in TLW. Also Orion jumping off a cliff and into the water? Where have I seen that before? Those two little terrier-like dogs are cute, though. And that Weimaraner looks familiar. No…it can’t be him…he’s supposed to be long dead. Oh his name is Noah. Phew, I almost lost it. Those two puppies look cute, also. And that flashback from Noah…no…it can’t be him…he’s supposed to be dead, I said. Somebody wake me up. I must be dreaming…

Chapter 6: Oh good! Miho has made it safely to Ouu Paradise. Now leave it to Weed and Jerome and his sons to investigate the situation in her homeland. Those two dogs in the shadow are really stocking Sasuke and Jyoshiro in the distance. Jyoshiro is too focused on finding Hirota that he literally doesn’t give a shit that Sasuke is carrying a boulder over his head and about to smash him with it. Sasuke’s eye expression is a little funny, though. Hirota and his mom are still scared and don’t want any help? Leave it to Jyoshiro to pounce on the two dogs for information. One of them is Taichi? Well then…

Chapter 7: …remember when I said that someone should wake me up because I could have been dreaming? Well turns out that I am NOT dreaming! Noah IS Hyena! How the hell did it come to this? The backstory at the end there is interesting, but how does Yoshi forget that he wrote about Hyena’s death in GDW through Sniper’s POV? And one would think nobody would notice.

Chapter 8: Jyoshiro is at it again. Not only he’s acting like a hotheaded dumbass throughout this chapter, but he also just flat-out punches the husky dog like a kitty cat punching a dummy. Somebody should beat him up and get his mind right. Holy shit! That dog is overly huge! This can’t be right. Now I just need to think happy. May I mention that it’s pretty funny to see Sasuke shove a stick up that dog’s ass?

Chapter 9: Phew, now that big dog looks like an actual Great Dane. Very smart for Jyoshiro to tell Sasuke to run for his life instead of idiotically telling to fight and risk his life. May I mention that the big dog calling Sasuke “cute” is adorable? Hey it’s GB! Thank God he still isn’t forgotten about. That should give Sasuke some courage to fight back against the chasers. And leave it to Rocket’s group to provide support on that.

Chapter 10: Orion is really depressed about Sirius’s death. I feel for him. And more backstory on how Hyena became Noah. Now I see. That is all.

Chapter 11: A good action-packed chapter with plenty of excitement and a little satisfaction. I mean the big dog has Jyoshiro in his mouth. Why not eat and swallow him?

Chapter 12: Here comes Weed’s group on a mission for justice. Let us wish them well for success. Meanwhile…WHAT?! WHAT THE FUCK, JYOSHIRO?! YOU’RE STILL HITTING THE PUPPY FOR BEING SCARED?! HAVEN’T YOU DONE ENOUGH ALREADY?! I mean Hirota has gone through a lot, for crying out loud! And that one panel is really terrifying and creepy! No wonder Hirota’s mom doesn’t trust the Ouu army. And the big dog’s name is Crow? At least we know his name now.

Chapter 13: Hirota is now asking for help, and Jyoshiro is throwing it back at his face? What a dumb idiot. I don’t know who Munechika is either. Oh now Jyoshiro is NOT being an asshole toward Hirota for once? I’m starting to think that something is corrupting Kyoshiro and turning him into Jyoshiro. May I mention that Hirota calling him “uncle” is pretty adorable?

Chapter 14: Orion looks like he’s dreaming. Let us witness his dream. Hey it’s Joe! When was the last time he made an appearance? That should give Orion the courage to move on and find his mom and sister. Noah’s encouragement will help along as well. I think it’s pretty cute to see Sasuke and Jyoshiro sleep together like that. Here comes Weed’s group finding…another white puppy? How can there be another one? Somebody wake me up. I must be freaking dreaming…

Chapter 15: …it turns out that, yes, I AM freaking dreaming! How the hell do the workers screw up badly on Hirota, in a laughable way? I hope Hirota’s mom is okay after getting tossed like that by Crow. That husky dog looks nervous. He just needs to be soothed.

Chapter 16: Weed is saying sorry to the husky dog for ruining what he thought was a hunt? The husky dog should be saying sorry now that he’s caught. Orion looks like he’s on top of the world on that mountain. Hopefully those smart-ass mouthed dogs don’t ruin it. Hey it’s Reika and Kin and Tama! Where the hell have they been since TLW?

Chapter 17: Tonov and Reika’s other two children are dead? May them rest in peace. I like seeing Hirota standing up against Crow to protect his mom. That’s courageous. Oh crap! I hope Hirota survives after taking that vicious stomp from Crow. The mother faints, and Kagetora is pissed. What’s up with the narrator talking to the characters so suddenly?

Chapter 18: Yes, an action-packed chapter, even though it sucks that Kagetora didn’t win against the big dog. Kage sliding down the tree will make it interesting, though. How can’t Crow break a smaller dog’s neck? He can’t be that weak, can he? Or a Kai-Ken’s neck isn’t that fragile. Weed’s the former supreme leader? Then who’s the leader now? It can’t be Orion, can it?

Chapter 19: So Munechika is dead and Weed and Jerome know it. At least everyone else now knows. Thank God Hirota is okay. Who is spreading rumors about the Ouu army falling? And what is this Aka-ari army? Orion should want to find answers to all that. Leave it to the memory of Sirius to enlighten him along with that. Orion, don’t let him get into your head like that. A fight between Weed and Crow? Can’t wait for that.

Chapter 20: “Hiding in weeds?” says Crow. That’s exactly what Weed’s named after, dumbass. In response, here’s a quick and sharp Battouga from Weed that will make your head spill not too much blood. And oh boy, the narrator really has to be like this announcer from Super Smash Bros Ultimate with those big bold words. Really cool to see Weed hang Crow on a branch like that, considering how heavy a Great Dane is supposed to be. Congratulations, Hirota. You and your pack are now free from Crow’s brutal dominance. And uh…of course, Weed is letting Crow go, which the others aren’t satisfied with. But a moment ago, they sound like they were objecting to Weed when they thought he was about to kill Crow on that branch. Where the hell is the common sense in all that?

Chapter 21: At least we get to see how Tonov and Reika’s two children died. And why would those two names change? And if Orion is suggesting his friends to head to Noah…oh no, the Aka-ari dogs are on to them.

Chapter 22: So Weed is heading south? Good for him. He remembers that his wife and daughter are out there. Hirota calling Jyoshiro “uncle bug-eyes” is so cute, and…Oh God…OH MY GOD…OHHH…GOD!! When we thought that Jyoshiro couldn’t get any worse, he goes and grabs the puppy’s dick and balls?! So not only he has begun to physically assault puppies, he’s also sexually assaulting them?! Can someone please take him out of the picture already? I think it’s good for Orion to try to make peace with those Ak-ari dogs. But if that doesn’t work, he should fight for his life. And Orion IS the supreme leader of Ouu now? When did Weed pass on the leadership to him?

Chapter 23: This is a very cool chapter. Orion jumping so high is a good start. Seeing him with inner struggles with Sirius in his mind is something else. Flipping Tama over might scare the Aka-ari dogs a little bit more. The lion panel is also cool. But man, Sirius is really into Orion’s mind. Repel it, Orion. Don’t let him control you like that. I agree that it’s great to see Orion get character development in this story so far. But I hope he doesn’t do too much with it. I think it’s good for him to have some of Sirius’s traits. But please, I hope he doesn’t abandon his own and become just like Sirius. That would ruin his own character.

I enjoy GDN so far. I think it will definitely make up for that abrupt and bizarre ending to TLW. Thank you, Blivery and Fanta for the recurring work. You two deserve to have a long peaceful break.

[fantachan]

Thought I’d join in on this thread. I just want to share my quick reactions or expressions for each chapter so far. Here I go.

SPOILER

Chapter 1: So Orion has disappeared from Ouu with sadness about Sirius’s death. That should be good thing because he may need it for a cure. But being gone for 6 months after the war in TLW is pretty long. Look at Sasuke and Kyoshiro trying to become the new comedy duo while searching for Orion and defending a white puppy from two thugs. No way this comedy duo will be that special. I get that Maru and Sunny are being a little mean toward this old dog. But what are the old dog and his granddaughter afraid of?

Chapter 2: Looks like the old dog and the girl named Miho are mistaking Jerome’s group for some villains that they might have seen before. Nice to see Kyoshiro kicking ass and saving the puppy. I think it’s pretty hysterical that the two thugs are just running away after hearing Sasuke chanting Kyoshiro’s full name. Also did that puppy’s ears just change?

Chapter 3: So Kyoshiro wants the puppy to man up. But the puppy is scared…and Kyoshiro hits the pu-WAIT A DAMN MINUTE!!! KYOSHIRO!! WHY THE HELL ARE YOU HURTING THAT POOR PUPPY?! AREN’T YOU THE SAME GUY WHO PROTECTED PUPPIES FROM ABUSIVE FATHERS?! WHAT’S GOING ON WITH YOU?! Damn, now I see why everyone began calling him “Jyoshiro.” I’m up with that. And as if that wasn’t enough puzzling situations, the grandpa dog dies so suddenly. Never had the feeling that was coming. Nothing to say about that husky dog.

Chapter 4: Wait, if the husky dog says that they are a pack of nameless dogs, then how is that one dog who abused the white puppy Hirota named Taichi? A little mysterious. Wow, everyone in the Ouu army is out searching for Orion like they need him to save the world or something. Good thing Rigel isn’t forgotten about.

Chapter 5: Hey, there’s Orion! So he’s on his way to see his mother and Bella and inform them about his brother’s death with sadness. Good for him. And he looks much calmer than in TLW. Also Orion jumping off a cliff and into the water? Where have I seen that before? Those two little terrier-like dogs are cute, though. And that Weimaraner looks familiar. No…it can’t be him…he’s supposed to be long dead. Oh his name is Noah. Phew, I almost lost it. Those two puppies look cute, also. And that flashback from Noah…no…it can’t be him…he’s supposed to be dead, I said. Somebody wake me up. I must be dreaming…

Chapter 6: Oh good! Miho has made it safely to Ouu Paradise. Now leave it to Weed and Jerome and his sons to investigate the situation in her homeland. Those two dogs in the shadow are really stocking Sasuke and Jyoshiro in the distance. Jyoshiro is too focused on finding Hirota that he literally doesn’t give a shit that Sasuke is carrying a boulder over his head and about to smash him with it. Sasuke’s eye expression is a little funny, though. Hirota and his mom are still scared and don’t want any help? Leave it to Jyoshiro to pounce on the two dogs for information. One of them is Taichi? Well then…

Chapter 7: …remember when I said that someone should wake me up because I could have been dreaming? Well turns out that I am NOT dreaming! Noah IS Hyena! How the hell did it come to this? The backstory at the end there is interesting, but how does Yoshi forget that he wrote about Hyena’s death in GDW through Sniper’s POV? And one would think nobody would notice.

Chapter 8: Jyoshiro is at it again. Not only he’s acting like a hotheaded dumbass throughout this chapter, but he also just flat-out punches the husky dog like a kitty cat punching a dummy. Somebody should beat him up and get his mind right. Holy shit! That dog is overly huge! This can’t be right. Now I just need to think happy. May I mention that it’s pretty funny to see Sasuke shove a stick up that dog’s ass?

Chapter 9: Phew, now that big dog looks like an actual Great Dane. Very smart for Jyoshiro to tell Sasuke to run for his life instead of idiotically telling to fight and risk his life. May I mention that the big dog calling Sasuke “cute” is adorable? Hey it’s GB! Thank God he still isn’t forgotten about. That should give Sasuke some courage to fight back against the chasers. And leave it to Rocket’s group to provide support on that.

Chapter 10: Orion is really depressed about Sirius’s death. I feel for him. And more backstory on how Hyena became Noah. Now I see. That is all.

Chapter 11: A good action-packed chapter with plenty of excitement and a little satisfaction. I mean the big dog has Jyoshiro in his mouth. Why not eat and swallow him?

Chapter 12: Here comes Weed’s group on a mission for justice. Let us wish them well for success. Meanwhile…WHAT?! WHAT THE FUCK, JYOSHIRO?! YOU’RE STILL HITTING THE PUPPY FOR BEING SCARED?! HAVEN’T YOU DONE ENOUGH ALREADY?! I mean Hirota has gone through a lot, for crying out loud! And that one panel is really terrifying and creepy! No wonder Hirota’s mom doesn’t trust the Ouu army. And the big dog’s name is Crow? At least we know his name now.

Chapter 13: Hirota is now asking for help, and Jyoshiro is throwing it back at his face? What a dumb idiot. I don’t know who Munechika is either. Oh now Jyoshiro is NOT being an asshole toward Hirota for once? I’m starting to think that something is corrupting Kyoshiro and turning him into Jyoshiro. May I mention that Hirota calling him “uncle” is pretty adorable?

Chapter 14: Orion looks like he’s dreaming. Let us witness his dream. Hey it’s Joe! When was the last time he made an appearance? That should give Orion the courage to move on and find his mom and sister. Noah’s encouragement will help along as well. I think it’s pretty cute to see Sasuke and Jyoshiro sleep together like that. Here comes Weed’s group finding…another white puppy? How can there be another one? Somebody wake me up. I must be freaking dreaming…

Chapter 15: …it turns out that, yes, I AM freaking dreaming! How the hell do the workers screw up badly on Hirota, in a laughable way? I hope Hirota’s mom is okay after getting tossed like that by Crow. That husky dog looks nervous. He just needs to be soothed.

Chapter 16: Weed is saying sorry to the husky dog for ruining what he thought was a hunt? The husky dog should be saying sorry now that he’s caught. Orion looks like he’s on top of the world on that mountain. Hopefully those smart-ass mouthed dogs don’t ruin it. Hey it’s Reika and Kin and Tama! Where the hell have they been since TLW?

Chapter 17: Tonov and Reika’s other two children are dead? May them rest in peace. I like seeing Hirota standing up against Crow to protect his mom. That’s courageous. Oh crap! I hope Hirota survives after taking that vicious stomp from Crow. The mother faints, and Kagetora is pissed. What’s up with the narrator talking to the characters so suddenly?

Chapter 18: Yes, an action-packed chapter, even though it sucks that Kagetora didn’t win against the big dog. Kage sliding down the tree will make it interesting, though. How can’t Crow break a smaller dog’s neck? He can’t be that weak, can he? Or a Kai-Ken’s neck isn’t that fragile. Weed’s the former supreme leader? Then who’s the leader now? It can’t be Orion, can it?

Chapter 19: So Munechika is dead and Weed and Jerome know it. At least everyone else now knows. Thank God Hirota is okay. Who is spreading rumors about the Ouu army falling? And what is this Aka-ari army? Orion should want to find answers to all that. Leave it to the memory of Sirius to enlighten him along with that. Orion, don’t let him get into your head like that. A fight between Weed and Crow? Can’t wait for that.

Chapter 20: “Hiding in weeds?” says Crow. That’s exactly what Weed’s named after, dumbass. In response, here’s a quick and sharp Battouga from Weed that will make your head spill not too much blood. And oh boy, the narrator really has to be like this announcer from Super Smash Bros Ultimate with those big bold words. Really cool to see Weed hang Crow on a branch like that, considering how heavy a Great Dane is supposed to be. Congratulations, Hirota. You and your pack are now free from Crow’s brutal dominance. And uh…of course, Weed is letting Crow go, which the others aren’t satisfied with. But a moment ago, they sound like they were objecting to Weed when they thought he was about to kill Crow on that branch. Where the hell is the common sense in all that?

Chapter 21: At least we get to see how Tonov and Reika’s two children died. And why would those two names change? And if Orion is suggesting his friends to head to Noah…oh no, the Aka-ari dogs are on to them.

Chapter 22: So Weed is heading south? Good for him. He remembers that his wife and daughter are out there. Hirota calling Jyoshiro “uncle bug-eyes” is so cute, and…Oh God…OH MY GOD…OHHH…GOD!! When we thought that Jyoshiro couldn’t get any worse, he goes and grabs the puppy’s dick and balls?! So not only he has begun to physically assault puppies, he’s also sexually assaulting them?! Can someone please take him out of the picture already? I think it’s good for Orion to try to make peace with those Ak-ari dogs. But if that doesn’t work, he should fight for his life. And Orion IS the supreme leader of Ouu now? When did Weed pass on the leadership to him?

Chapter 23: This is a very cool chapter. Orion jumping so high is a good start. Seeing him with inner struggles with Sirius in his mind is something else. Flipping Tama over might scare the Aka-ari dogs a little bit more. The lion panel is also cool. But man, Sirius is really into Orion’s mind. Repel it, Orion. Don’t let him control you like that. I agree that it’s great to see Orion get character development in this story so far. But I hope he doesn’t do too much with it. I think it’s good for him to have some of Sirius’s traits. But please, I hope he doesn’t abandon his own and become just like Sirius. That would ruin his own character.

I enjoy GDN so far. I think it will definitely make up for that abrupt and bizarre ending to TLW. Thank you, Blivery and Fanta for the recurring work. You two deserve to have a long peaceful break.

Your reactions to Noah and Jyoushirou are hilarious

[Spirit Tree]

New chapter is indeed coming this Friday December 6 just as Blivery predicted. I have noticed it too. It does seem like every 8 chapters, the manga takes a week off.

[Tsukitora]

Some stuff from this weeks chapter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ginga_soul14 ... 6145696768

Now we’ve got two chapters to catch up on cx I hope we don’t fall too far behind!

[Digsu]

Some stuff from this weeks chapter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ginga_soul14 ... 6145696768

Now we’ve got two chapters to catch up on cx I hope we don’t fall too far behind!

Looks like Orion has managed to cast off the demon Sirius's spirit for now.

There's a text box that says "Riki's blood within Orion was stirring again", but it's followed by "No, this was the blood of the real Orion..." So they finally bring back the "Orion is like Riki" thing in the one series where it looks like it might make sense, and then immediately go "on a second thought, no, it's just Orion." All righty then.

Also did Orion just Ningatou one of the bad guys? What kind of sense does that even make?

[WolfKing]

Some stuff from this weeks chapter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ginga_soul14 ... 6145696768

Now we’ve got two chapters to catch up on cx I hope we don’t fall too far behind!

Looks like Orion has managed to cast off the demon Sirius's spirit for now.

There's a text box that says "Riki's blood within Orion was stirring again", but it's followed by "No, this was the blood of the real Orion..." So they finally bring back the "Orion is like Riki" thing in the one series where it looks like it might make sense, and then immediately go "on a second thought, no, it's just Orion." All righty then.

Also did Orion just Ningatou one of the bad guys? What kind of sense does that even make?

Well if Orion becomes "just Orion" again, then his development get's ruined. Considering that until now he has been unwilling to do anything that causes death or injuries, and if he reverts back to GDWO and LTW habits then it's wasted. As for Sirius i just hope he isn't dropped out of the story, since his death is clearly meant to be meaningful as it's what has made Orion reflect his past self. His death will also feel completely unnecessary too.

[Tora]

New title for upcoming chapters:
凶悪赤蟻軍団 - The brutal Aka-ari army corps.

[Spirit Tree]

I have sort of the same feelings. I sincerely hope Orion’s character development doesn’t get ruined.

Looking at the new images, I think Orion turning back into his usual badass self is very cool. But I’m still sitting here wondering, “What’s going on here?” “Falcon Kicking,” like Fanta said earlier, is one thing for Orion to save himself when he’s under attack by those Aka-ari dogs. But then to attack savagely with no signs of his character development continuing?

Orion is one of my favorite characters, but I hope he doesn’t change back into the madman that he was in TLW.

Here’s the thing. The reason Noah/Hyena is in this story is to eventually help Orion become a better character. I think this story will be about Orion learning to control his dark side and his light side with Noah’s help, or others’ help. Yeah, that’s it! Because everyone has a dark side and a light side. Learn to combine them together. That should make Orion develop into a better character. Then he’ll be more like Riki. So I’m still confident that Orion will find character development even with Noah’s help.

[Akame]

The fact that Noah has barely been in this series throws me back to all of our "gets his own series ... it isn't even about him" memes about Ginga Densestu Akame

[Gingastar]

I really don’t think Orion’s development will be set back simply because he fought in this chapter and it said “this was the blood of the real Orion”, especially permanently. He kinda has no choice but to fight here(?). I also can’t see Sirius being dropped from the story.

Interesting developments it seems! Always up for a chapter for fighting action in it!

[Digsu]

It's also probably worth noting that Reika protests to Kin and Tama being about to kill the head dog, saying "I don't remember raising cruel children like that" and the usual "if you kill them, you'll be just like them" crap, and I can't for the life of me figure out if we're supposed to agree with her or not because on the one hand it's consistent with Ginga's usual morals, but on the other hand she's a female so that automatically means that there's a 50/50 chance that we're supposed to disregard anything she says as silly woman nonsense.

Also I fail to see how Orion kicking their asses is him regressing back to his TLW persona. These dogs have made it clear that they can't be reasoned with, so roughing them up a bit is the only viable option. If anything, it could foreshadow that Orion is capable of both reasoning and violence now, but he's smart enough to recognize that neither should be relied on blindly.

[WolfKing]

It's also probably worth noting that Reika protests to Kin and Tama being about to kill the head dog, saying "I don't remember raising cruel children like that" and the usual "if you kill them, you'll be just like them" crap, and I can't for the life of me figure out if we're supposed to agree with her or not because on the one hand it's consistent with Ginga's usual morals, but on the other hand she's a female so that automatically means that there's a 50/50 chance that we're supposed to disregard anything she says as silly woman nonsense.

Also I fail to see how Orion kicking their asses is him regressing back to his TLW persona. These dogs have made it clear that they can't be reasoned with, so roughing them up a bit is the only viable option. If anything, it could foreshadow that Orion is capable of both reasoning and violence now, but he's smart enough to recognize that neither should be relied on blindly.

Maybe i was just overreacting a bit. It's so clear that he only fought because he had to, even though i didn't think about it at first. But i don't know, i guess i'm just too used to Orion being a reckless and sometimes even nasty fighter. But Reika saying those words are great if familiar here. 50/50 chances that these words being ignored is painfully possible due to general treatment of females here.

Now since Reika is being mentioned, it's worth saying she's probably getting her biggest role since GDW and probably she might turn out to be a stronger fighter which she wasn't in GDW. It would be great if Takahashi would finally give a real "Action Girl" instead of making them into Damsels in Distress like usually. I also wonder when do we get to see Koyuki and Bella? we're already in to the 3rd volume and they are yet to appear. Kotetsu disappeared in LTW and i hope he returns too unless he died.

[Spirit Tree]

It's also probably worth noting that Reika protests to Kin and Tama being about to kill the head dog, saying "I don't remember raising cruel children like that" and the usual "if you kill them, you'll be just like them" crap, and I can't for the life of me figure out if we're supposed to agree with her or not because on the one hand it's consistent with Ginga's usual morals, but on the other hand she's a female so that automatically means that there's a 50/50 chance that we're supposed to disregard anything she says as silly woman nonsense.

Also I fail to see how Orion kicking their asses is him regressing back to his TLW persona. These dogs have made it clear that they can't be reasoned with, so roughing them up a bit is the only viable option. If anything, it could foreshadow that Orion is capable of both reasoning and violence now, but he's smart enough to recognize that neither should be relied on blindly.

Maybe i was just overreacting a bit. It's so clear that he only fought because he had to, even though i didn't think about it at first. But i don't know, i guess i'm just too used to Orion being a reckless and sometimes even nasty fighter. But Reika saying those words are great if familiar here. 50/50 chances that these words being ignored is painfully possible due to general treatment of females here.

Now since Reika is being mentioned, it's worth saying she's probably getting her biggest role since GDW and probably she might turn out to be a stronger fighter which she wasn't in GDW. It would be great if Takahashi would finally give a real "Action Girl" instead of making them into Damsels in Distress like usually. I also wonder when do we get to see Koyuki and Bella? we're already in to the 3rd volume and they are yet to appear. Kotetsu disappeared in LTW and i hope he returns too unless he died.

Maybe I am overreacting a little, too. It does make sense that Orion is fighting for his life and saving Reika and Kin and Tama. We need to see the whole chapter to find out more. I think I went a little too far on Orion turning back into his TLW status. So I’m not giving up on him progressing on his character development.

But I will still stay with what I said about Orion learning to combine his dark side and his light side to become a better character even with Noah’s help.

And I agree. We haven’t seen Kotetsu in a long time. I hope he’s still alive somewhere. And hopefully it won’t be much longer before we eventually see Koyuki and Bella again. That is if we do ever see them again. And I mean alive.

[WolfKing]

It's also probably worth noting that Reika protests to Kin and Tama being about to kill the head dog, saying "I don't remember raising cruel children like that" and the usual "if you kill them, you'll be just like them" crap, and I can't for the life of me figure out if we're supposed to agree with her or not because on the one hand it's consistent with Ginga's usual morals, but on the other hand she's a female so that automatically means that there's a 50/50 chance that we're supposed to disregard anything she says as silly woman nonsense.

Also I fail to see how Orion kicking their asses is him regressing back to his TLW persona. These dogs have made it clear that they can't be reasoned with, so roughing them up a bit is the only viable option. If anything, it could foreshadow that Orion is capable of both reasoning and violence now, but he's smart enough to recognize that neither should be relied on blindly.

Maybe i was just overreacting a bit. It's so clear that he only fought because he had to, even though i didn't think about it at first. But i don't know, i guess i'm just too used to Orion being a reckless and sometimes even nasty fighter. But Reika saying those words are great if familiar here. 50/50 chances that these words being ignored is painfully possible due to general treatment of females here.

Now since Reika is being mentioned, it's worth saying she's probably getting her biggest role since GDW and probably she might turn out to be a stronger fighter which she wasn't in GDW. It would be great if Takahashi would finally give a real "Action Girl" instead of making them into Damsels in Distress like usually. I also wonder when do we get to see Koyuki and Bella? we're already in to the 3rd volume and they are yet to appear. Kotetsu disappeared in LTW and i hope he returns too unless he died.

Maybe I am overreacting a little, too. It does make sense that Orion is fighting for his life and saving Reika and Kin and Tama. We need to see the whole chapter to find out more. I think I went a little too far on Orion turning back into his TLW status. So I’m not giving up on him progressing on his character development.

But I will still stay with what I said about Orion learning to combine his dark side and his light side to become a better character even with Noah’s help.

And I agree. We haven’t seen Kotetsu in a long time. I hope he’s still alive somewhere. And hopefully it won’t be much longer before we eventually see Koyuki and Bella again. That is if we do ever see them again. And I mean alive.

Mee too man, I've thought about Orion's personality combining his fierce nature and Sirius kindness already when this whole story started. I have always had mixed opinions about Orion, but i almost hated him totally during TLW, but now it has gradually changed to liking. And i've also hoped about a scene where Sirius's spirit appears to Orion, like for real, and that they will reconcile their broken bond and Sirius giving him strength (Like Sakura gave to Weed during Hougen's battle) and guidance to deal with hard situations which Orion struggled with earlier.

I also hope this would conclude Orion's story, considering that he has been the protagonist for the 3rd time even if he shared the protagonist title with Sirius in TLW. Overall this is already a vast improvement over the downbeat and disappointing TLW.

By the way what do you and everyone else feel about the slow-paced feel the story has? TLW was almost non-stop action until chapter 97 when Monsoons minions were killed. This story has until now been more of a character and dialogue driven drama. I think it's a nice change from the frenetic action opening from TLW, since it's always cool to see that a sequel is slightly different in tone or storytelling style, and it now unfolds the scenes with this slower pace, and it makes several scenes more surprising and it's melancholy feel gives us the great emotional depth GNG and GDW especially were skilled with.

[Spirit Tree]

Maybe i was just overreacting a bit. It's so clear that he only fought because he had to, even though i didn't think about it at first. But i don't know, i guess i'm just too used to Orion being a reckless and sometimes even nasty fighter. But Reika saying those words are great if familiar here. 50/50 chances that these words being ignored is painfully possible due to general treatment of females here.

Now since Reika is being mentioned, it's worth saying she's probably getting her biggest role since GDW and probably she might turn out to be a stronger fighter which she wasn't in GDW. It would be great if Takahashi would finally give a real "Action Girl" instead of making them into Damsels in Distress like usually. I also wonder when do we get to see Koyuki and Bella? we're already in to the 3rd volume and they are yet to appear. Kotetsu disappeared in LTW and i hope he returns too unless he died.

Maybe I am overreacting a little, too. It does make sense that Orion is fighting for his life and saving Reika and Kin and Tama. We need to see the whole chapter to find out more. I think I went a little too far on Orion turning back into his TLW status. So I’m not giving up on him progressing on his character development.

But I will still stay with what I said about Orion learning to combine his dark side and his light side to become a better character even with Noah’s help.

And I agree. We haven’t seen Kotetsu in a long time. I hope he’s still alive somewhere. And hopefully it won’t be much longer before we eventually see Koyuki and Bella again. That is if we do ever see them again. And I mean alive.

Mee too man, I've thought about Orion's personality combining his fierce nature and Sirius kindness already when this whole story started. I have always had mixed opinions about Orion, but i almost hated him totally during TLW, but now it has gradually changed to liking. And i've also hoped about a scene where Sirius's spirit appears to Orion, like for real, and that they will reconcile their broken bond and Sirius giving him strength (Like Sakura gave to Weed during Hougen's battle) and guidance to deal with hard situations which Orion struggled with earlier.

I also hope this would conclude Orion's story, considering that he has been the protagonist for the 3rd time even if he shared the protagonist title with Sirius in TLW. Overall this is already a vast improvement over the downbeat and disappointing TLW.

By the way what do you and everyone else feel about the slow-paced feel the story has? TLW was almost non-stop action until chapter 97 when Monsoons minions were killed. This story has until now been more of a character and dialogue driven drama. I think it's a nice change from the frenetic action opening from TLW, since it's always cool to see that a sequel is slightly different in tone or storytelling style, and it now unfolds the scenes with this slower pace, and it makes several scenes more surprising and it's melancholy feel gives us the great emotional depth GNG and GDW especially were skilled with.

I understand how you and others felt about Orion in TLW. Orion is one of my favorite characters, like I mentioned earlier. But to be honest, I really didn’t like him being the madman that he was in TLW. And so I am excited to see him go through character development in this story while maintaining his badass status and gaining a little bit of Weed’s traits or Sirius’s traits.

Another thing to be honest about...I didn’t like Sirius in TLW. But I do admit that his death is really sad. I hate to say this but I also admit that there is a part of me that does not feel bad for him. I get all of what he wanted to do with Monsoon. But to me, it felt more like he was dumping the Ouu army and his family for an evil bastard. Orion was probably right about not wanting to be friends with Monsoon. Even I wouldn’t want to make peace or befriend an evil person, like a criminal, in real life.

What both brothers did in TLW was pretty out of hand. And I also hope that Orion will indeed visit with Sirius’s spirit (maybe in a dream) and both brothers will admit how wrong they were going against each other. I agree with you about Sirius’s spirit bonding with Orion to give him strength. I bet that will happen if Orion is to fight whoever this main villain of GDN is.

About this story being the last for Orion as a main protagonist, that could be the case. I believe he’ll find a wife and have three children with her. Then one of those children with be the new main character or protagonist.

I’m not sure if I like the slow-pace of GDN. But as long as it is smooth or worth it, then I’m fine with it. I absolutely believe that GDN will indeed make up for that abrupt and bizarre ending of TLW, like I mentioned before. Hopefully, nothing terrible will screw this up.

[WolfKing]

Maybe I am overreacting a little, too. It does make sense that Orion is fighting for his life and saving Reika and Kin and Tama. We need to see the whole chapter to find out more. I think I went a little too far on Orion turning back into his TLW status. So I’m not giving up on him progressing on his character development.

But I will still stay with what I said about Orion learning to combine his dark side and his light side to become a better character even with Noah’s help.

And I agree. We haven’t seen Kotetsu in a long time. I hope he’s still alive somewhere. And hopefully it won’t be much longer before we eventually see Koyuki and Bella again. That is if we do ever see them again. And I mean alive.

Mee too man, I've thought about Orion's personality combining his fierce nature and Sirius kindness already when this whole story started. I have always had mixed opinions about Orion, but i almost hated him totally during TLW, but now it has gradually changed to liking. And i've also hoped about a scene where Sirius's spirit appears to Orion, like for real, and that they will reconcile their broken bond and Sirius giving him strength (Like Sakura gave to Weed during Hougen's battle) and guidance to deal with hard situations which Orion struggled with earlier.

I also hope this would conclude Orion's story, considering that he has been the protagonist for the 3rd time even if he shared the protagonist title with Sirius in TLW. Overall this is already a vast improvement over the downbeat and disappointing TLW.

By the way what do you and everyone else feel about the slow-paced feel the story has? TLW was almost non-stop action until chapter 97 when Monsoons minions were killed. This story has until now been more of a character and dialogue driven drama. I think it's a nice change from the frenetic action opening from TLW, since it's always cool to see that a sequel is slightly different in tone or storytelling style, and it now unfolds the scenes with this slower pace, and it makes several scenes more surprising and it's melancholy feel gives us the great emotional depth GNG and GDW especially were skilled with.

I understand how you and others felt about Orion in TLW. Orion is one of my favorite characters, like I mentioned earlier. But to be honest, I really didn’t like him being the madman that he was in TLW. And so I am excited to see him go through character development in this story while maintaining his badass status and gaining a little bit of Weed’s traits or Sirius’s traits.

Another thing to be honest about...I didn’t like Sirius in TLW. But I do admit that his death is really sad. I hate to say this but I also admit that there is a part of me that does not feel bad for him. I get all of what he wanted to do with Monsoon. But to me, it felt more like he was dumping the Ouu army and his family for an evil bastard. Orion was probably right about not wanting to be friends with Monsoon. Even I wouldn’t want to make peace or befriend an evil person, like a criminal, in real life.

What both brothers did in TLW was pretty out of hand. And I also hope that Orion will indeed visit with Sirius’s spirit (maybe in a dream) and both brothers will admit how wrong they were going against each other. I agree with you about Sirius’s spirit bonding with Orion to give him strength. I bet that will happen if Orion is to fight whoever this main villain of GDN is.

About this story being the last for Orion as a main protagonist, that could be the case. I believe he’ll find a wife and have three children with her. Then one of those children with be the new main character or protagonist.

I’m not sure if I like the slow-pace of GDN. But as long as it is smooth or worth it, then I’m fine with it. I absolutely believe that GDN will indeed make up for that abrupt and bizarre ending of TLW, like I mentioned before. Hopefully, nothing terrible will screw this up.

Great words! Yea i understand that you didn't like Sirius's actions in TLW, since he betrayed everyone and made trouble. I have always loved Sirius but i didn't quite agree with him either. Like chapter 94 or 93 where he expresses the reason why Monsoon is evil, he is practically saying that Ouu and humans did it and they are to be blamed, that's what screwed my mind, it does make some sense but ultimately it's too preachy to be agreed on. But his death was ever so heartbreaking, especially when you realize that by the time he died he himself realized that he failed.

I'm glad no one feel that he was dumb or have forgotten about him (I genuinely thought so because everyone acted so out of character especially when he was disowned and exiled) and both Weed and Orion along with others have regrets about their actions.

The reason why i'm mixed about Orion is probably because i was used to the protagonists here to be gentle and peaceful, considering that i was 6 and soon to be 7 when i first was introduced to Ginga, and now i'm 20 and still remember fondly at those memories with Gin and Weed and i miss the times when Gin was the young dashing charmer whereas he is now older and more quiet, but that's his development though.

And the downer ending to TLW was worst yeah, but i actually find the entire TLW a disappointment since it has a great premise but halfway into it when Orion and Sirius's bickering and crushing disownment along with breakdowns and other negative things bring it down and loses big part of it's potential. I also feel that Monsoon having too much dialogue was a mistake, because we can understand it and he get's a little too much personality something Akakabuto didn't have and therefore he was the dreaded and we knew he has to be defeated. But Monsoon was more complex which is cool but somehow him having a personality makes the final battle less satisfying and i was actually not rooting for anyone at the end really because i was torn by feelings.

But still GDN will hopefully save it